Chinese deployment in Sudan

Vlad Plasmius

Junior Member
I am intrigued and have never heard of any such deployment before, has anyone any further details on this?

If its true it is highly significant as it represents a major Independant Chinese deployment in a foreign country. There are a few hundred Chinese troops in Sudan under the UN banner, but it seems pretty clear that these are not included in the above figure.

I'm not sure about the numbers, but there are Chinese troops in Sudan protecting oil facilities. I think there's also some PLA presence in other parts of Africa seperate of U.N. missions, though most likely deployed in much smaller numbers than in Sudan and serving little active purpose. Sudan is definitely the largest overseas deployment for China that I know.
 

toisanwu

Just Hatched
Registered Member
I'm not sure about the numbers, but there are Chinese troops in Sudan protecting oil facilities. I think there's also some PLA presence in other parts of Africa seperate of U.N. missions, though most likely deployed in much smaller numbers than in Sudan and serving little active purpose. Sudan is definitely the largest overseas deployment for China that I know.

I found this intriguing that China has posted its troops outside of its borders. Can you and anyone else provide some sources for this?
 

Vlad Plasmius

Junior Member
I think the Chinese forces are serving largely as military advisers in other regions, but someone already posted a source for troops in Sudan.
 

toisanwu

Just Hatched
Registered Member
Having "military advisers" in a foreign country is quite different posting troops there.

The source needs to be verifiable to make it believable.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
700,000 troops in Sudan and Mexico? I think both the Europeans and US would know if that many Chinese troops were deployed that close to them. Mexico will never choose China over the US. I don't think you'll ever see just one PLA soldier deployed to Mexico outside an embassy.
 

panzerkom

Junior Member
I don't think the reporter verified his source. Private security contractors, maybe, but definitely not PLA troops.
 

grugged

Just Hatched
Registered Member
I am currently writing my Masters Thesis about Sino-Sudanese relations with focus on China's rush to secure natural resources, and whether these have led to a propagation of Sudan's internal conflicts.

I have also come across this quote of 4000 Chinese troops in Sudan on a few occassions. However I was at a lecture last week with Mohamed Salih, a Sudanese academic, who completey refuted these claims. The claims does seem to be somewhat threadbare, with little evidence to back it up. Although at the same time many of the ares when the Chinese are operating are quite remote, and there is little transparency as to their dealings and actions.

Anyways here is the background of Mohamed Salih, if there is any doubts to his credibility. By the way, the lecture was at the University of Copenhagen's Centre for Africa Studies.

Professor Mohamed Salih, Institute of Social Studies, The Hague

Mohamed Salih is Professor of Politics of Development at the Institute of Social Studies, The Hague and the Department of Political Science, University of Leiden. Mohamed Salih has worked on a wide range of topics within Development Studies and African Politics.

He has especially pioneered the study of the relations between environment, people and society in Africa (in 2000 he edited the volume Local Environmental Change and Society in Africa, Kluwer Academic Publ.). He has also worked on poverty and famine in relation to African pastoralism (see his volume African Pastoralism, publ. by Pluto Press in 2001). Lately his major field of interest has been democracy and political parties and civil society, see: African Democracies and African Politics (Pluto Press 2001) and African political parties evolution, institutionalisation and governance (Pluto Press 2003). In May 2005 CAS published his influential Occasional Paper: Understanding the Conflict in Darfur.

The current development in the Sino-African relations have become a major debating point within Africa, the West and the new African emerging economies. Africans see this debate from the vantage point that the debate and its consequences are indicatives of the configuration of a new global power structure. Africans are aware that the global powers are not naïve to make any continent a subject of debate without questioning whether, at the final analysis. they are gainers or losers form how the debate is steered and its consequences impact on them. In this debate, Africans are divided between those who applaud the Sino-African relations and those critical of its implications for the continent’s future development. The lecture examines the discourses and counter-discourse which inform this debate.
 

mobydog

Junior Member
Dear grugged...

On your question whether 'China's rush to secure natural resources, have led to a propagation of Sudan's internal conflicts'.

The answer is Yes... they had intruded into the presumed oil interest tuff of the US, who had made in road into Chad. Your question will involve very acute political garb, which is not the acument of this forum.

I would only point you to explore an area that the US media fails to focus on.. 'The rebels'... which seemed so unimportant.

1) why in just a few years time they were better armed than Sudanese Army... and UN observer quoted that they were even recieving supply by air. China arms sales to the sudanese army were even insufficient to cope.

2) Why the rebels were so well trained that in almost every battle they won.. Who Trained them ?

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fishhead

Banned Idiot
The truth of Darfur is that US company bailed out of Sudan in early 1990s, with a lot of spending but without much luck of oil finding, they transfered the right of exploration to a Canadian company.

The Canadian company went into financial problem and they sold the majority share of right to the Petro China, around 1996. Chinese spent money and continued their exploration and finally found the treasure: Sudan exported its first shippment of oil in 1999, and their economy just took off, recovered in every aspects.

Then the rebel in Darfur fired their first shot to the government troops in 2002, started the sol-called Darfur crisis. It got the western media attention from the day 1st.
 
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