Chinese air to air missiles

Blitzo

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Does this reveal mean that a successor of the PL-17 is ready?

It doesn't seem like it's being offered for export, it may be a domestic showcase of some sort.

That said, given we know PL-17 is in service, it does lend itself to the idea that its successor is likely in advanced stages of development.


Probably. I see it as just a general patent on how rear fins can be folded and can be applied on different AAMs.

As for PL-16 being a mini-PL-17... Afaik that's not true, but we'll see.

I think the mini-PL-17 comparison was from a remark that PL-16 looked similar to AIM-260, which itself looks like a mini PL-17, but I can't recall the exact phrasing of it.
 

Totoro

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The general trend for new gen medium and long range missiles is to get rid of the mid body wings or fins altogether and rely just on speed, body lift and lofted trajectories to preserve energy over long distances. Thus it wouldn't be at all surprising if more and more missiles, PL-16 included, used such a layout, with only rear fins present.
 

siegecrossbow

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This is a dangerous misconception - like, first, any pilot can turn away if warned; this isn't skill.
The failure on Indian side was clearly (criminal) failure of ROE and anticipation of threat radius, or perhaps outright political pressure.
Which is all more weird, b/c PL-15 performed exactly as per known dual pulse papers, which i believe @siegecrossbow brought here many(7? don't remember) years ago.

Where Indians failed technically is failure to identify launch maneuvers as genuine. Which is also political/peacetime failure.
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Here is an interesting document that my answer why PL-15E has a max range of 145KM as opposed to PL-15's speculated range of around 180KM. The table lists the maximum range of AAM depending on the duration of time that elapses between the two pulses of a dual-pulse rocket motor. Under the head-on condition, the maximum range occurs when there is a 30 second gap between firing. If the gap between firing is 0s, the head-on maximum range is -- SURPRISE -- 145KM. What do you call a dual-pulse rocket motor with no pause between firing? A plain old single-pulse rocket motor.

This pretty much confirmed my suspicion that PL-15E does not feature dual-pulse rocket motor.
 

RoastGooseHKer

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Is the PL-16 simply a folding-fin variant of the PL-15, or is it expected to have a longer range compared to the PL-15?
I am leaning toward the former since PL-15 is highly proven for 10+ years, combat tested and more reliable. But even if the PL-16 were to be based on PL-15, folks should expect generational improvements in fuel, weight, range, manoeuvrability and sensor fusion.
 
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