Chinese air to air missiles

siegecrossbow

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If the Japanese want to be the next Indians and have their planes go down without even knowing what happened, by all means they should continue to make assumptions based on stupidity and ignorance.

To be fair even PLAAF officials were surprised by the range at which Rafales were downed. To achieve that kind of kill the target not only did not perform evasive actions but acted so cooperatively that they might as well have been target drones on low difficulty setting.
 

siegecrossbow

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Given what we've seen of Indian pilots at air shows, even this might be a very generous description. I wonder how this compares to Japanese pilots. Given they seem eager to start a war with China soon, I hope we'll get a chance to watch them cope with PL-15s and 17s of the non-exported variety.

Their RWR won’t beep when PL-15/16 is coming for their tailpipes.
 

Gloire_bb

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Given what we've seen of Indian pilots at air shows, even this might be a very generous description. I wonder how this compares to Japanese pilots. Given they seem eager to start a war with China soon, I hope we'll get a chance to watch them cope with PL-15s and 17s of the non-exported variety.
This is a dangerous misconception - like, first, any pilot can turn away if warned; this isn't skill.
The failure on Indian side was clearly (criminal) failure of ROE and anticipation of threat radius, or perhaps outright political pressure.
Which is all more weird, b/c PL-15 performed exactly as per known dual pulse papers, which i believe @siegecrossbow brought here many(7? don't remember) years ago.

Where Indians failed technically is failure to identify launch maneuvers as genuine. Which is also political/peacetime failure.
 

mack8

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Is this related to the PL-16? Aiui this is the configuration according to rumours, basically miniature PL-17 with folding fins.
 
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