Chinese air to air missiles

Re: Air-To-Air Missiles

I think the PRC is fine with its current BVR and IR Missile. I think jamming and ECM will be a problem on the battlefield for both sides and will be overlapping.

I think we need to back away from just one system winning wars but the strategy combined with the 360o way war will be fought the a Hi tech power like the PRC.

JH-7 hunting ships, Su-27/30/J-10-hunting every thing, ships-shooting everything, land based missile-shooting everything.

The lower tech J-811 running mach 2.4 intercept runs, Drones, Harpy and things we don't even no about. as I said before this would be a very cluttered battle-space.

Re: Air-To-Air Missiles

China doesn't need a new LRAAM, it needs a SRAAM. The PL-5s are mostly Bs and Cs, which are no good.(Es are fine, however, but China apparently doesn't use them.)

The biggest surprise I have about China's SRAAMs are their reported speed. At just Mach 2, it is fine for large planes, but I don't think it will fare with most fighter jets.

Re: Air-To-Air Missiles

PL-8 and PL-9 aren't up to par with the latest 4.5-5th generation missile standard.
R-73 Archer are adequite.

A image infrared seeker,
dual digital signal processor,
directional infrared counter measure,
focal plane array and thrust vectoring
are just a few requirement need for a future IR missile.

Re: Air-To-Air Missiles

sumdud said:

China doesn't need a new LRAAM, it needs a SRAAM. The PL-5s are mostly Bs and Cs, which are no good.(Es are fine, however, but China apparently doesn't use them.)

The biggest surprise I have about China's SRAAMs are their reported speed. At just Mach 2, it is fine for large planes, but I don't think it will fare with most fighter jets.

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PL-8, based on its Python 3 ancestor, should be Mach 3 (Python 3 spec). R-73 is slower, at Mach 2.2, but it has greater range.

Re: Air-To-Air Missiles

dh19440113 said:

PL-8 and PL-9 aren't up to par with the latest 4.5-5th generation missile standard.
R-73 Archer are adequite.

A image infrared seeker,
dual digital signal processor,
directional infrared counter measure,
focal plane array and thrust vectoring
are just a few requirement need for a future IR missile.

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True, current PLAAF SRAM is about a generation behind, though much improved with multispectral array and liquid nitrogen cooling.

R-73 is okay, and it gets better with a touted upgrade. Don't know if the PlAAF bought the latest midlife upgrade but they might.

Re: Air-To-Air Missiles

dh19440113 said:

PL-8 and PL-9 aren't up to par with the latest 4.5-5th generation missile standard.
R-73 Archer are adequite.

A image infrared seeker,
dual digital signal processor,
directional infrared counter measure,
focal plane array and thrust vectoring
are just a few requirement need for a future IR missile.

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Just combining the thread with the existing AAM thread.

I believe PLAAF likes PL-8B better than R-73 due to the better seeker. The PL-8B should already have a digital signal processor. , not sure if it has directional IRCM or not, just says it has better IRCM than R-73 and such if you read the above article.

But yeah, the next generation SRAAM is said to be worked on and should be ready soon. Although, I personally think PL-8B will still be in service with PLAAF due to its lower cost. Remember, IIR seekers aren't cheap. Also, they have a next generation MRAAM and a LRAAM like Meteor in development.

challenge said:

the missile seeker use 4 element IndSb IR seeker.it possess dual "color" infran red and ultra violet (IR/UV)
(4 element? AIm-9L, Magic-2 all use 64 element InSb seeker.)
according to the article,the missile seeker possess "aim-point" capability,at the moment the target was "lock" it can not be decoyed by flares.

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dual color refering to IR and UV, during daylight engagement the seeker use UV,but at night time the seker automatically switch to IR.
the use of 4 element seeker or 2 stripes seeker in sb seeker may also refering to SPRITES (signal processing in chip)according to DTM,the technology are much more familiar to China,second it is cheaper than 64 element IR seeker.this ir seeker no longer been use in western IR missile maker.
"aim point" or psuedo-imaging seeker allow the missile to target aircraft most vulnerable part such as central fuselage.
soviet IR missile have this capability.modern IR missile are programmable, example when the IR seeker detect sudden heat signal such as flares it automatically rejected the signal

I find it amusing that consumer digital cameras are now in the 10^7 elements...

RedMercury said:

I find it amusing that consumer digital cameras are now in the 10^7 elements...

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I believe they actually mentionned 4 bands rather than 4 elements. But then again, it's a little hard to measure the exact seeker technology of PL-8B

The "4 bands" probably refer to 4 micron band range of infrared spectrum. Sensitivity to the longer wavelenght allows the InSb detector to operate in all-aspect mode (attack from head-on).