China's unforseen problem is the near future

i dont think this is that big a problem for China, our society is just different from the US.

like the last guy mentioned, Chinese are savers, and they have been planning the retirement for a long time, add in the fact the people in china dont expect the government to take care of them, so it isnt a big liability for the authority. Most people in china expect their childrens to support them when they get old, and this is not going to change. It does however put stress on the one=child generation since a married couple have to care for both sets of parents AND their child.

But again, this is more or less a temporary problem, once our parent's generation have passed away, a big bulk in the demographic will disappear the the problem will be less acute.

plus, the decline in the working age population is actually very good, considering the huge number of unemployment right now in China, the could mean better quality of life for those up comming young people.

People have a misconception about the problem here, the problem is not that there are too much old people, but rather there arent enough young people. The situation is detrimental to europe only because those countries have low population level in the first place. In China, a decline of a few hundred milion people isnt that big of a deal, but for European country, that number would be astronomical.


I dont want to offend anyone here, but i think view points in this thread is comming a western world where this population problem is very serious. however, China with its billion plus people is in no way in danger of running into this particular problem.

Westerners are viewing China through their eyes and what they would do. Like their belief China is going to have a violent society of men because of the one-child policy. Yeah if you had a bachelor generation of Western men combined with their cultural need of expressing their masculinity to everyone else, you would have a violent generation of men.

Now they're imagining an army of elderly old people tearing the country apart. This is like Indians who claim an advantage because of their English language skills. Funny how Japan didn't need it. The European population is dropping meaning they're going to have a growing aging population as well. Maybe its about numbers. China has a lot more people. Well that's what they said about food too. China will never be self-sustaining yet today they export food.

It wasn't meant as an innuendo for 'Han superiority' or something. To give you an idea what's happening, a lot of people are starting to register themselves as an ethnic minority of China, which China legally recognizes about 55. So suddenly you have this boom of minorities, even though it would be hard to prove if those people registering themselves as minorities are actually of the minority heritage they' claim to be. All this in order to take advantage of this exception in the one child policy.

I knew that was propaply what you ment but you should have said that more clearlier in the post I refered. The race issue is too much of tabu and wrong selection of words migth lead into unpleasent suprises.

crobato said:

I think its a dumb policy to begin with. All of a sudden, non Han ethnicities are booming, and you wonder where all these ethnicities are suddenly coming from.

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i dont think its a dumb policy, you may resent the fact that minorities recieve some preferential treatment, but the fact is that Han dominate just about every thing in China, affirmative action is definite needed to balance things out. People dont talke about racism in China, but it is so prevalent, ethnic slurs are very common to hear on the streets of China. If China wants to be a true mulitethnic states and keep the tibetans or Uyghur from wanting to be independent, than this is completely nessecery.

plus you cant just register to be a minority, your parents have to be registered as minorities, and in order for that to happen, one of ur grandparents have to be registered. So i dont see the problem.

Interesting how there's racism in China but there's applause how minorities get preferential treatment.

Well it looks like you'll have to get in line like everyone else. Racism isn't something unique to China. You don't have feudal class systems and/or religious hatreds in China that cause the deaths of untold numbers like in many other countries that are ignored. Interesting how it was okay to rob, steal, rape, and discriminate against the Chinese for over a hundred years before communism in China. I guess it's like Singapore where the colonial masters imported the practice of caning, but when an American gets his butt caned, all of the sudden it's wrong.

Too bad there can't be some sort of reconciliation event for the world like they did in South Africa. Maybe if everyone confesses to their crimes against humanity, we won't have this distrust and suspicion because of hypocritical fingers singling out only certain nations as the only criminals. But that's just fantasy since it's too valued as a weapon to force people to pick sides and hate for geo-political reasons and not used as a cover for some humanitarian act.

I am sure you know why I replaced the word. That isn't the only place. Only c***e isn't unique there.

AssassinsMace said:

Well it looks like you'll have to get in line like everyone else. Racism isn't something unique to China. You don't have caste systems and/or religious hatreds in China that cause the deaths of untold numbers like in many other countries that are ignored. Interesting how it was okay to rob, steal, rape, and discriminate against the Chinese for over a hundred years before communism in China. I guess it's like Singapore where the colonial masters imported the practice of caning, but when an American gets his butt caned, all of the sudden it's wrong.

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I am not sure which 'country' you were refering to, but it doesnt really matter because every country, whether its Sudan or the US, always points finger at every other country. Chinese people werent always on the recieving end of abuse, just look at how each individual dynasty from Qin to Ming invaded areas that werent chinese. Lke during the Han dynasty, the empire literally drove all the xiongnu out of their land, and during the process, stealing, raping and pillaging is very common.


I merely pointed out that given preferential treatment to ethnic minorities in China like allowing them to have more than one child was a perfectly good policy.

having said all that, i apologize to everyone that i kinda began a offtopic discussion about racism , lets get back to the real purpose of the thread.

The real population problem is that there are too many working age populaton rather than too little of them. Lets face it, the elderly arent the age group thats going to start riots or raise hell.

kunmingren said:

i dont think its a dumb policy, you may resent the fact that minorities recieve some preferential treatment, but the fact is that Han dominate just about every thing in China, affirmative action is definite needed to balance things out. People dont talke about racism in China, but it is so prevalent, ethnic slurs are very common to hear on the streets of China. If China wants to be a true mulitethnic states and keep the tibetans or Uyghur from wanting to be independent, than this is completely nessecery.

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I don't resent the fact that the Han dominate things. And I agree the affirmative action is correct. That seems to be the official state policy to make China look more multicultural.

plus you cant just register to be a minority, your parents have to be registered as minorities, and in order for that to happen, one of ur grandparents have to be registered. So i dont see the problem.

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This is just a matter fixing with the bribery fee.

I think China's problem is that there is a big gap in knowledge between the ruraland the urban. The cities are attracting a lot of rural farmers, but they are rather intelligently (not mentally) impaired, and get the jobs they get sick in, and get cheap little pay. The factory owners are doing great, but the urban immigrants can't feed their families. I think if you can impose a good minimum wage and/or get the rural to set up businesses, you are better off.

As long as you have wealth, feeding the entire family shouldn't be too bad.

China has been traditionally a saver, but my family in China talks of how wages are overly low. So, if the government imposes and enforces higher wages, this shouldn't be a problem. Bosses are forced to raise prices-whoever don't will run out of business- and that actually helps the world. People will stop agonizing about "made in China". (Though I visit the local 99c store a bit.)

I am sure you know why I replaced the word. That isn't the only place. Only c***e isn't unique there.

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Japan, India, some Arab countries... they all have forms of caste systems. They might each call it something else but it's generally a caste system. In Japan, certain groups do only certain work like in slaughter house work. I don't know if it was slaughter house work but there's some occupation where you only see traditionally Koreans who've been doing it for hundreds of years. And yes it's because it's beneath the average Japanese to do it. In Europe you can even say the class system there is a caste system where you're blood determines your social standing. I can even say the US has sort of a "racial" caste system. Notice that certain races are acceptable in some fields while others are not. For example sports. Blacks are accepted in virtuallly all sports while Asians are viewed with skepticism. In turn, some African-Americans get into certain fields and some believe they only got there because of affirmative action.

I use "caste" because everyone sees it as it is and fits the context of my statement. No one has ever attempted to euphemize the word away from its original meaning. "Feudal" is not really accurate. Caste is a result of a cultural social understanding and not really based on laws of a government. Laws just enforce the social norm. Which fits the context of my statement because it's a state of mind on when one determines a crime not by the act one commits but by who commits the act. Don't misunderstand that I stated only these countries do it. My point was some get a pass while others do not when the same crime has been committed.