China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft - esp. Y-20/YY-20

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Russia, China resume talks on military transport planes
16:03 | 05/ 09/ 2008

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GELENDZHIK (South Russia), September 5 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will continue negotiations on a contract to deliver 34 transport planes and four aerial tankers to China earlier frozen due to a disagreement over prices, Russia's state-run arms exporter said on Friday.

"We are returning to the contract and renegotiating the price of these planes," Mikhail Zavaliy, a Rosoboronexport official told reporters at an air show in the Krasnodar Region.

According to the 2005 contract between Rosoboronexport and China's Defense Ministry, worth $1.5 billion, Russia was supposed to deliver 34 Il-76 Candid medium-range military transport aircraft and four Il-78 Midas aerial refueling tankers.

The first deliveries under the contract were due to begin in 2007, but in 2006, Uzbekistan's Tashkent Chkalov Aircraft Association, the manufacturer of the aircraft, refused to sign a production contract with Rosoboronexport at the contract price.

As a result, the agreement was delayed, and Beijing suspended negotiations on this and several other military contracts with Russia.

Since then, the Tashkent-based company has become part of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation, and the planes will now be assembled at an aircraft manufacturing plant in Ulyanovsk in central Russia, the official said.

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should be, they've been selling MA-60 left, right and center.

Here is another sale
两架西飞新舟60飞机首批交付菲律宾航空公司
两架西飞新舟60飞机首批交付菲律宾航空公司
更新时间:2008-10-13 出处:西安晚报 作者:佚名 编辑录入:cy
  10月9日上午,中航工业西安飞机工业有限责任公司(简称“西飞”)向菲律宾航空公司(Philippine Airlines Inc.)首批交付2架新舟60飞机。
  据了解,菲律宾航空公司主要经营其国内主要航线和飞往中国、韩国等国际航线,西飞与这家公司共同签署了5架新舟60飞机的购机合同和5架意向订单。由西飞研制的新舟60飞机,是唯一在国内完成适航验证的民用支线客机,也是唯一在世界范围内销售和运营的中国制造的民用支线客机。目前,新舟60飞机已累计签订136架正式合同及意向合同,并批量交付客户,在津巴布韦、刚果(布)、赞比亚、老挝、印尼、玻利维亚等国家,及国内奥凯航空有限公司(Okay Airways Company Limited,以下简称“奥凯航空”)及云南英安通用航空有限公司(Yunnan YingAn Airlines Co, Ltd.,以下简称“英安航空”),新舟60飞机安全运营在上百条航线上。
they sold 5 to Philippine Airlines and delivered the first 2. Up to now, MA-60 has 136 orders/MOU. It's been exported to Zimbabwe, Gabon, Zambia, Laos, Indonesia and Bolivia.
 

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Local production of either the PS-90 or the Ivenchko D-18 turbofans could help expedite production of indigenous transports in case there are any more delays on aircraft purchases.
 

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I wonder which manufacturer are they going to acquire.


Report: China's AVIC plans foreign acquisition
2 hrs 16 mins ago

SHANGHAI, China – State-owned China Aviation Industry Corp. is preparing to acquire a foreign aircraft manufacturer, with the deal expected by the end of the year, a report said Tuesday.

AVIC also is planning to list shares in the "near future," the state-run newspaper China Daily cited the company's president, Tan Weidong, as saying.

Tan, who spoke on the sidelines of China's International Aviation & Aeospace Forum in the southern city of Zhuhai, did not identify the target of AVIC's acquisition plan.

He said the company plans to develop 10-, 20- and 30-seat business jets and hydroplanes.

Staff at AVIC's headquarters in Beijing said officials authorized to speak to media about the report were not immediately available for comment.

Tan said Zhuhai, site of the country's annual international air show, would become AVIC's base for research and development, final assembly and test flights, according to the report.

China recently merged its two major aircraft makers, AVIC I and AVIC II, to help consolidate aviation manufacturing. China Aviation Industry Corp. is parent to six new companies set up to manage the various businesses run by AVIC I and AVIC II, which include airplane engines, helicopters, transporters, general aviation, airborne systems and aviation trade, the report said.

AVIC I and AVIC II, both originally units of China's military aviation manufacturer, had been split into separate companies in 1999.

Meanwhile, reports cited Miao Wei, vice minister of industry and information technology, as saying that China's first domestically produced large jet will hit the market between 2015 and 2020.

"We will finish the concept design and research on key technologies before 2010 and have the first plane roll off the production line before 2014," state-run media quoted Miao as saying.

Miao said the aircraft would have at least 150 seats.

In another step toward commercialization of Chinese-made passenger jets, Shanghai-based Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China, Ltd. announced it has clinched an order for its 25 of its ARJ21-700 regional jets from an aircraft leasing unit of General Electric.

The deal, due to be signed Tuesday in Zhuhai, was worth about $750 million, China Daily said.

General Electric is supplying the engines for the ARJ-21 project. The jet, also called the "Xiangfeng," or "Flying Phoenix," is meant to boost AVIC's efforts to compete with international manufacturers such as Bombadier Inc., of Canada, and Brazil's Embraer SA.

China will need about 900 mid-sized regional jets over the next two decades, the company estimates, as economic growth drives an expansion of air travel and airlines look for planes best tailored to feeder routes.


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yeah, I've been wondering which foreign manufacturer they are talking about too.

Also an article about Antonov cooperation with China. Nothing on An-70 here, but I'm sure more will come out later.
Antonov Design Bureau, Chinese aviation officials to discuss joint
projects at China Air Show-2008

Kyiv, November 4 (Interfax-Ukraine) - Ukraine's Antonov Design
Bureau (Kyiv) and Chinese aviation officials will discuss joint projects
in the aircraft industry during the international China Air Show-2008,
which will take place in Zhuhai on November 4-9.
As Interfax-Ukraine learned at the press service of Antonov Design
Bureau, the two countries' officials will discuss joint programs on the
new Chinese regional turboprop, the 70-seater 13/64 1/64700, 35-seat light
airplanes and further cooperation in developing the new Y8F600 transport
aircraft, as well as the establishment of the Aviation and Engineering
center in Beijing.
They will also discuss the modernization of An-26 and An-30
aircraft earlier supplied to China.
At the same time, Antonov Design Bureau will present at China Air
Show-2008 a number of modern aircraft capable of operating on the
Chinese market. These are the An-148 new generation regional aircraft,
the An-74 multipurpose aircraft, as well as the modernized An-124-100M-
150 heavy transport aircraft.
At the Farnborough-2008 International Aerospace Exhibition, held
outside London in July, President of China Aviation Industry Corporation
AVIC-II Zhang Hongbiao expressed satisfaction with the current level of
cooperation with the corporation's Ukrainian partner, and said that
AVIC-I and AVIC-II would merge soon.
The head of AVIC-II said all earlier signed obligations undertaken
by the Chinese side on contracts with Antonov Design Bureau would be
honored, and confirmed AVIC was interested in further developing
cooperation with the Ukrainian bureau both in current and future
programs.
 

montyp165

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Acquiring/building An-124-100M-150 transports would be a great boost in heavy lift capacity for many applications, that's something that really needs to be done sooner rather than later.
 

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interesting article here
Contract for supply of Il-76 planes to China will be fulfilled -
official (Part 2)

MOSCOW. Dec 12 (Interfax-AVN) - Russia will fully meet its
obligations under the contract to supply Ilyushin Il-76 military
transport plans and Il-78 midair refuelers to China, Director of the
Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (MTC) Mikhail
Dmitriyev told journalists on Friday.
"Among the MTC projects discussed by the Russian-Chinese mixed
inter-governmental commission at its session in Beijing was certainly
the question of implementing the 2005 contract for supply to China of
Il-76 transporters and Il-78 refuelers. We stated that the Russian part
of the contract is being fulfilled and our country will fully meet all
its obligations under the contract," Dmitriyev said.
The contract for the supply to China of 38 planes (34 Il-76MDs and
4 Il-78s) was signed in September 2005. Its cost was estimated by
experts at approximately $1.5 billion. The supply was due to begin in
2007 and to be completed in 2012. The contract also included the supply
of 152 D-30KP-2 engines as part of 38 planes and over 50 spare engines.
"It is a three-party document, involving, apart from Russia and
China, the Chkalov Tashkent Aircraft Plant in Uzbekistan," said
Dmitriyev.
"This contract was effectively annulled by Tashkent. Russia's
obligations under the contract are only to produce and supply engines
and auxiliary power and thrust units to China, and these obligations are
being met. We are not making airframes for these planes under the
contract, they are manufactured by the Tashkent aircraft plant," he
said, explaining the causes of the delay.
"To correct the current situation, apparently, a supplement to the
contract will be signed, which will set new completion dates," he said.
Some media outlets reported that the failure by the Tashkent
aircraft plant to build the planes led to the contract default.
Currently, efforts are being made to move the facilities for production
of Il-76 and Il-78 to Ulyanovsk.
it looks like all the D-30KP2 will be delivered, so they should have plenty of engines for H-6K and to start using as the test engines for their domestic transport and also for future IL-76s that they negotiation.
 

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I actually saw this article yesterday, more regarding IL-76, I'm kind of waiting to see what they signed after the recent meeting between the defense cooperation
Russia delays delivery of 38 military planes to China till 2010

15:55 | 17/ 12/ 2008

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MOSCOW, December 17 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will deliver 38 military planes to China, when a new aircraft production line is up and running, but not before 2010, the head of the federal military cooperation service said on Wednesday.

Russia has run into problems over its $1.5 billion contract with China, signed in 2005, to supply 34 Il-76 cargo planes and four Il-78 fuel tankers.

Originally, these planes were to be built in Tashkent, Uzbekistan, but then a decision was made to move production to Russia. Experts have put the cost of equipping the Ulyanovsk plant to manufacture the planes at $100 million.

The new production line is not expected to be up and running before December 2010.

"At the moment we have no aircraft ready [for delivery] and we are waiting for a signal when the [Ulyanovsk] plant will be ready. After that we will start work on the contract," Mikhail Dmitriyev said.

He did not say when deliveries would start or be completed under the contract.
 

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Isn't a domestic medium size military transport already underway? Once that large aircraft engine is ready, they can start assembling everything. If the Russians start delivery by 2010, that might be quick enough to sell to the Chinese, but any time afterward would be hopeless. Their market would be lost to the domestic transport.
 
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