China's Space Program Thread II

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If some of these private/commercial companies are actually able to deliver on their promises (and that is a big if), then it may actually be somewhat promising to the overall space launch capability in China.

Frankly, if some of the projects like TL-3/3H and ZQ-3 can come to fruition on their schedules, then it almost makes projects like CZ-10 obsolete it cannot be sped up, and certainly would make other projects lighter than CZ-10A, TL-3, ZQ-3 almost irrelevant and uneconomical assuming those can be mass produced and made reusable.


If (again, a big if) these commercial heavy launchers can be made viable and reusable, and if CZ-10/A can be moved to the left a bit, then the remaining question is how quickly they can reach a reliable and reusable super heavy rocket/first stage to compete with SpaceX's Super Heavy.
 
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It is not surprisely faster than national team if national team is their manufacturers as I said in the post. The fuselage, the tank are already there two years ago by 800 factory. The only thing different from national team is the engine which is probably running test already. So 2024 isn't more ambitious than anyone else. Also, the founder himself is still an employee of NWPU, his pattent of engins belong to NWPU who supplies engineers to CASC as well. In a way, this commercial company is a national team. Of course Tianbing can be
faster than SpaceX because SpaceX did not have what Tianbing has today.

This is why I never use the label "private" on Chinse space companies, but "commercial" instead. If you check the Chinese language news, all these space companies are called "民营" not private "私人". "民营" means it is not operated by the state, but does not say anything of the investment structure, owership and technical IP possession. State could be the leading stakeholder but still "民营". Blanketly calling every company other than CASC/CASIC private is going to blind people to understand why some of them are "exceptionally" competent as if tree grow out of sea. Another controversial is 中科宇航 (CAS space), it is owned by CAS a state institution just like CASC, but it is called "民营", it would be ridiculous to call it private.
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I agree with you on most points. If Space Pionner could hold their promises. I still think it's faster than the national team. Built a F9-class rocket from blueprints to actual flight within a year. while we still need at least 2~ 3 years before we can see an actual CZ-10 on testing with current CASC's plan. The Space Pionner must have got rid of many of old-school testing procedures.
 
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The dimensions of that fairing is similar to Delta IV Heavy so we can expect a pretty big GEO sat in the next couple of hours

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sunnymaxi

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Blitzo said:
If some of these private/commercial companies are actually able to deliver on their promises (and that is a big if), then it may actually be somewhat promising to the overall space launch capability in China.

Frankly, if some of the projects like TL-3/3H and ZQ-3 can come to fruition on their schedules, then it almost makes projects like CZ-10 obsolete it cannot be sped up, and certainly would make other projects lighter than CZ-10A, TL-3, ZQ-3 almost irrelevant and uneconomical assuming those can be mass produced and made reusable.


If (again, a big if) these commercial heavy launchers can be made viable and reusable, and if CZ-10/A can be moved to the left a bit, then the remaining question is how quickly they can reach a reliable and reusable super heavy rocket/first stage to compete with SpaceX's Super Heavy.
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sir how can we compare ZQ-3 with LM10 rocket.. both rockets comes under different class category and purpose ..

LM10 total take off mass will be 2100 tons with 70 tons capacity in LEO and 27 tons capacity in trans lunar.. strictly for crewed mission

ZQ-3 total take off mass will be 660 tons with 21 tons capacity in LEO

TL3H with 68 tons payload in LEO and 42 tons into a 500-km sun-synchronous orbit.. this is somewhat comparable with LM-10
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LM10A will be reusable with 14 tons capacity in LEO. this is where ZQ-3 can come.
 
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Latest images of the launchpad No. 1 of the Hainan Commercial Spaceport.

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