China's Space Program News Thread

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Richard Santos

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As I said: “ uncontrolled media makes it more attractive for the politically opportunistic in the Indian ruling class to appeal to the rash, loud, easily excitable, here thinking and emotionally impulsive elements that is present in any society, and allow such appeal to drive action and policy beyond what might be considered prudent boundaries”.

Indian political culture is certainly more vocal than those of the Chinese. That doesn’t mean the proportion that breath unseemly xenophobia to offset any gnawing sense of insecurity really is appreciably different compared to when China had cause to feel same sense of insecurity.
 

ougoah

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An example from this month would be an interaction with an Indian receptionist who wasn't even a part of the conversation by the way. The conversation was between a friend of mine and her husband who was talking positively about his son's education in China (they are not Chinese but live there) and lamenting about how poor the educational standard is in his native country in comparison to what his son received in China. The receptionist felt the need to then say "why don't you guys stay in China then if it's so good there".

This line is pretty typical. Many feel that there might be a small few percentage points (a huge number) of Chinese people who want to immigrate and stay in the west. Forgetting that half the Chinese students actually want to return to China. I personally know for a fact that more Chinese students with an opportunity to stay would still prefer to return to China due to greater familiarity and opportunity if they are ambitious.

Those who prefer to stay overseas often are motivated because it is far less competitive overseas and life is so much easier because it is much less competitive in comparison to China. But that also means progress is somewhat slower despite huge colonial era advantages and more resources available. Point is these people have zero clue about the reality of things but assume they know the entire set of facts and important details. No Chinese person could be bothered saying that to an Indian. The intense dislike for China isn't only promoted by media and propaganda but also the dialogue and echo chamber between self proclaimed "China experts".
 

ougoah

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As I said: “ uncontrolled media makes it more attractive for the politically opportunistic in the Indian ruling class to appeal to the rash, loud, easily excitable, here thinking and emotionally impulsive elements that is present in any society, and allow such appeal to drive action and policy beyond what might be considered prudent boundaries”.

Indian political culture is certainly more vocal than those of the Chinese. That doesn’t mean the proportion that breath unseemly xenophobia to offset any gnawing sense of insecurity really is appreciably different compared to when China had cause to feel same sense of insecurity.

Yes and that "uncontrolled" (questionable) media frenzy should be pointed out shouldn't it? It comes from somewhere and it has certain desires? It goes towards my point does it not?

Yes it's more vocal than those of China partly because east Asian culture I believe treats these things differently and people who don't know much aren't quite as ready to be that vocal. Your second sentence I think is pretty worthless for the topic which is India has cultivated a greater sense of unity against China than China has against India. It doesn't matter whether or not China is capable of doing that because it may or may not be and then what?

The question is, is India generally quite a lot more hostile in attitude towards China in its common folks and the general attitudes. Not is China also capable of cultivating hostility. For most fair observers, they know it is the case.

Relating this back to the actual thread and the topic of India joining China in space, well the Indian population (the great majority of it) would not like that because they would not like to see India cooperating with China on anything important. Many of them also consider China below India lol. Some think China will just want to work against India. Whatever the reasons, because there is great hostility against China in India (I mean they beat up "chinki" looking Indians for god's sake), it would be impossible for such a thing to go ahead in the next few decades at least. China wouldn't want them either because they offer nothing in tech. In fact they would offer absolutely nothing except maybe funding... of which they severely lack. If anything it's a net negative because of potential leak of information India may share with Quad/five eyes.

It's certainly not China's fault if India feels insecure about anything. Chinese people do not exhibit ANYWHERE near that animosity with American people despite the state of the US genuinely going further to make China feel insecure... You know threatening nuclear attack on China in the past, constantly undermining them, constantly sailing carriers around within 100km of China, constantly attacking it with information war, trade war etc, constantly working against it on every platform in every forum, unifying allies against China, building bases around China, using mouthpieces to directly threaten China. And yet no Chinese person calls for the rape of American women or violent treatment of Americans. No Chinese person bans Americans from their businesses or burns effigies of Trump or Biden. They don't curse it non-stop with so much frenzy. The worst China has behaved in this regard was against Japan and even then, it was open social PR to try and stop people from buying Japanese products. With this, India has done it, Korea too and the US in the past. No Japanese person was harmed and most younger Chinese are actually fairly positive on Japan overall. None of this can be said for India.
 
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Richard Santos

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Is India worth for 3 pages of empty talk?? LOL

Considering this thread is under strategic defense, I would say so.

Because china’s state of development at the moment remains far ahead of India’s, and America’s state of development remain ahead of china’s, America will remain china’s main competitor for the next 2 or 3 decades. But it is reasonable to suppose after china’s state of development has asymptotically approach that of US, India’s state of development will asymptotically approach that of china’s.

Given the fact that india has a population almost equal to China’s now, and will surpass that of China in less than 10 years, and the fact that in the long run, the best predictor of economic strength and national power is population, It is reasonable to suppose in 50-100 years india will far surpass the US to become china’s primary competitor economically and militarily.

Now given the fact that india is also right next to China, it is also reasonable to suppose eventually india could become a far more persistently dangerous military competitor to China than the US ever was.
 

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The Fengyun-4B meteorological satellite before its successful launch yesterday.

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Richard Santos

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ESA may lack a man rated aunch capability and a space capsule, but otherwise can come close to NASA in most other basic infrastructural, production and mission equipment capabilities.

ESA also has had an independent deep space heavy weight scientific exploration capability since 1980s, and unlike russia, did not let that capability atrophy.

If you really analyze ESA capability in deep space flight, in most aspects ESA is at least equal to what china has demonstrated up to now, and can claim considerable more experience and depth than the chinese in many of these aspects.

think of ESA as an space program with deeper technical depth, but less clear political direction, funding will, or imperative to achieve specific milestone type goals, than the Chinese space program.
 
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