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Faithlock

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3rd stage didn't function as planned, resulting in a deviant orbit.

Good attempt nonetheless.

Yes, it is too bad. But it is also to be expected. Space is hard and unforgiving. Even technology super power like Japan had their rockets fails one after another in the 1990s and 2000s.

There is a reason why space was only the domain of national governments. What SpaceX did was amazing and it still took them 3 failures before the 1st success.

This is going to be a super exciting time for China's private space companies to be the first to successful orbital launch. The prize is still out there.

Anyway, the video of the launch:
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Yes, it is too bad. But it is also to be expected. Space is hard and unforgiving. Even technology super power like Japan had their rockets fails one after another in the 1990s and 2000s.

There is a reason why space was only the domain of national governments. What SpaceX did was amazing and it still took them 3 failures before the 1st success.

This is going to be a super exciting time for China's private space companies to be the first to successful orbital launch. The prize is still out there.

Anyway, the video of the launch:
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Wait. NZ was the second country to have aprivate company launch an object into orbit

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Move over SpaceX, there’s a new kid on the block! Well, maybe not move over, but pull up a chair to the orbital class rocket table! That’s right, Rocket Lab has officially become the second privately owned rocket company to achieve orbit with their beautiful Electron rocket.

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listen in after the first minute.Its very interesting with the use of lithium batteries to help power the rocket and the engine was made by 3d printing.
 
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Wow, nice.

China is doing the holy grail of the current state of art rocket technology, re-usability.

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There is no flame exhaust. Thus, most likely they used jet engines rather than rocket engines.

If that is the case, it would be similar to Blue Origin's (Amazon) Charon flight vehicle in 2005. They want to test out the software algorithm without the distraction of a throttling rocket engine.

I don't know which company is this, but it definitely is going in a good direction.
 

taxiya

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Wow, nice.

China is doing the holy grail of the current state of art rocket technology, re-usability.

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There is no flame exhaust. Thus, most likely they used jet engines rather than rocket engines.

If that is the case, it would be similar to Blue Origin's (Amazon) Charon flight vehicle in 2005. They want to test out the software algorithm without the distraction of a throttling rocket engine.

I don't know which company is this, but it definitely is going in a good direction.
The rocket bears "CASC", it is 航天科技
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, same entity who makes all the CZ rockets.
No, it does not use "jet engine", it is based on CZ-8 rocket. P.S. where would you put a jet engine when the end of the body is taken by the rocket engine?
 

taxiya

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CCTV documentary states "500 ton class" rocket engine has been assembled. See the video at 24:55
This is the engine for CZ-9. The assembling must be the first prototype before the full engine firing test. Its turbine hot test was announced successfully tested in the early part of this year.

It also claimed that "China is 2nd to the U.S. to produce a certain type of solid booster fuel, and on the way for the next gen fuel". It did not say the name except one of its ingredient is very poisonous.

The documentary is about histories of most of the weapon/space R&D institutes. It reveals names and code names of institutes, scientists/engineers, locations etc.
 
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The rocket bears "CASC", it is 航天科技
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, same entity who makes all the CZ rockets.
No, it does not use "jet engine", it is based on CZ-8 rocket. P.S. where would you put a jet engine when the end of the body is taken by the rocket engine?

Thanks, as one can see, I don't really follow China's space industry until very very recently. So this test article belongs to CASC, the maker of all CZ rockets.

By the way, there is no way this test article uses rocket engine. Not the way it vibrates and the way its plume looks. If I can see it, I am pretty sure thousands of other engineers saw it too. I will do a search later to see if other engineers notice it also.

In terms of your question of "where would you put a jet engine when the end of the body is taken by the rocket engine?" This is just a test article that built around jet engines. Again, do a search of Blue Origin's Charon flight vehicle in 2005.
 

taxiya

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Thanks, as one can see, I don't really follow China's space industry until very very recently. So this test article belongs to CASC, the maker of all CZ rockets.

By the way, there is no way this test article uses rocket engine. Not the way it vibrates and the way its plume looks. If I can see it, I am pretty sure thousands of other engineers saw it too. I will do a search later to see if other engineers notice it also.

In terms of your question of "where would you put a jet engine when the end of the body is taken by the rocket engine?" This is just a test article that built around jet engines. Again, do a search of Blue Origin's Charon flight vehicle in 2005.
I find this picture. It apparently is jet engines, 4 of them.
Charon flight vehicle.jpg

But the CASC test article is a rocket just like any others, a long tube. I can not figure out a reason for CASC to put number of jet engines side by side in a long tube. Neither can I see a reason to test jet based article for a rocket application in CASC's perspective. Controlling thrust (both force and vector) are pretty different between rocket and jet engines.

Most importantly, CASC is like NASA, it has decades of advanced experience in rocket engine of different power class, TVC control of rocket engine etc. There is no need for CASC to try the control algorithm with jet engine which they don't have much experience. While Blue Origin was not a player in the field, for them learning something by jet engine may be the fastest approach, or the ONLY approach as Blue Origin did not have any rocket of its own.

As of the "invisible" plume, both jet engine and rocket engine has plume, Jet engine exhaust gas is not necessarily less visible than rocket. It all depends on the fuel. Jet engine burns special diesel fuel similar to rocket (most latest low altitude Chinese rockets). The exhausts are same in composition.
 
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