China's Space Program News Thread

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About the number of Chinese satellites, there are these comments in the Strategy Page site:
(The writer obviously got wrong the number of navigation satelites)

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Chinese Satellite Fleet Grows, And Grows
July 22, 2010: By the end of the year, China will have at least sixty military (?) space satellites in orbit. Fourteen of these will be dual-use photo reconnaissance or largely military radar satellites. These are smaller than those used by the United States. The Chinese models tend to be three tons or less and don't last as long. There are also fifteen military communications satellites and sixteen Beidou navigation satellites. There are another dozen or so miscellaneous scientific and research satellites. Most of these satellites have gone up in the last five years, and are of modern design.
China put its first satellite up in 1970. Over the next 31 years, China put 50 more satellites into orbit, and developed satellite launcher rockets that were 90 percent successful. By 1986, Chinese launchers were considered reliable enough for Western companies to use them for putting their expensive (although insured) satellites into orbit. In the last decade, China has developed modern (comparable to Western models) satellites for everything from communications, photo-reconnaissance to weather forecasting.

There is also the UCS satelite database, updated until 7/1/10.

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The database points to 60 Chinese satelites in orbit that compares to
438 from USA and 97 from Russia


Apstar 2R (Telstar 10) China (PR) Leased to APT Satellite Holdings Ltd./Loral Skynet Commercial

Apstar 6 China (PR) APT Satellite Holdings Ltd. Commercial

AsiaSat 3S (Asiasat 3SA) China (PR) Asia Satellite Telecommunications Co. Ltd. (SES [Societe Europienne des Satellites]) Commercial
AsiaSat 4 China (PR) Asia Satellite Telecommunications Co. Ltd. (SES [Societe Europienne des Satellites]) Commercial

AsiaSat 5 China (PR) Asia Satellite Telecommunications Co. Ltd. (SES [Societe Europienne des Satellites]) Commercial

Beidou 1B (BNTS-1B) China (PR) Chinese Defense Ministry Military

Beidou 1C (Dong Fang Hong 54) China (PR) Chinese Defense Ministry Military

Beidou M1 (Compass M1) China (PR) Chinese Defense Ministry Military

BeijinGalaxy-1 (Tsinghau-2, China DMC+4) China (PR) Beijing Landview Mapping Information Technology Co. Ltd (BLMIT) Civil

ChinaSat 6B (Zhong Xing 6B) China (PR) China Satellite Communication Corp. (China Satcom) Commercial/Government

Chinastar-1 (ChinaSat-10, Zhongwei 1) China (PR) China Satellite Communication Corp. (China Satcom) Commercial/Government

Chuangxin 1 (Innovation 1) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Sciences Government

Chuangxin 2 (Innovation 2) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Sciences Government

Compass G-1 (Beidou 3) China (PR) Chinese Defense Ministry Military

Compass G-3 (Beidou G3) China (PR) Chinese Defense Ministry Military

Fengyun 1D (FY-1D) China (PR) China Meteorological Administration Government

Fengyun 2C (FY-2C) China (PR) China Meteorological Administration Government

Fengyun 2D (FY-2D) China (PR) China Meteorological Administration Government

Fengyun 2E (FY-2E) China (PR) China Meteorological Administration Government

Fengyun 3A (FY-3A) China (PR) China Meteorological Administration Government

Haiyang 1B (HY 1B, Ocean 1B) China (PR) State Oceanic Administration (SOA) Government

HJ-1A (Huan Jing 1A) China (PR) National Remote Sensing Center (NRSCC) Government

HJ-1B (Huan Jing 1B) China (PR) National Remote Sensing Center (NRSCC) Government

Jiang Bing 3A (Ziyuan 2, PRC 44) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology Military

Naxing 1 (NS-1, Nanosatellite 1) China (PR) Qinghua University/Aerospace Qinghua Satellite Technologies Co. Ltd. Government

Shijian 11-01 (SJ-11-01) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology (CAST) Government

Shijian 12 (SJ-12) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology (CAST) Government

Shijian 6A (SJ-6A, Dong Fang Hong 60) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology (CAST) Government

Shijian 6B (SJ-6B) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology (CAST) Government

Shijian 6C (SJ-6-02A) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology (CAST) Government

Shijian 6D (SJ-6-02B) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology (CAST) Government

Shijian 6E (SJ6-03A) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology (CAST) Government

Shijian 6F (SJ6-03B) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology (CAST) Government

Shijian 7 (SJ7, Dong Fang Hong 65) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology (CAST) Government

Shiyan 1 (SY 1, Tansuo 1, Experimental Satellite 1) China (PR) Satellite Remote-Sensing Ground Station of CAS Government

Shiyan 2 (SY 2, Tansuo 2, Experimental Satellite 2) China (PR) Satellite Remote-Sensing Ground Station of CAS Government

Shiyan 3 (SY3, Experimental Satellite 3) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology (CAST) Government

Sinosat-1 (Intelsat APR-1) China (PR) Sino Satellite Communications Co. Ltd. (Sinosat) Commercial

Sinosat-3 (Xinnuo 3, XN-3) China (PR) Sino Satellite Communications Co. Ltd. (Sinosat) Commercial
TianLian 1 (TL-1-01, CTDRS) China (PR) Chinese Academy of

Space Technology (CAST) Government
XW-1 (Hope Oscar 68, HO-68, Xi Wang 1, Hope-1, CAS-1) China (PR) DFH Satellite/AMSAT-China Civil

Yaogan 2 (Remote Sensing Satellite 2, Jian Bing 5-2, JB 5-2) China (PR) People's Liberation Army (C41) Military

Yaogan 3 (Remote Sensing Satellite 3, Jian Bing 5-3, JB 5-3) China (PR) People's Liberation Army (C41) Military

Yaogan 4 (Remote Sensing Satellite 4) China (PR) People's Liberation Army (C41) Government

Yaogan 5 (Remote Sensing Satellite 5, JB 5-C, Jian Bing 5-C) China (PR) People's Liberation Army (C41) Government

Yaogan 6 (Remote Sensing Satellite 6, Jian Bing 7-A) China (PR) People's Liberation Army (C41) Government

Yaogan 7 (Remote Sensing Satellite 7) China (PR) People's Liberation Army (C41) Government

Yaogan 8 (Remote Sensing Satellite 8) China (PR) People's Liberation Army (C41) Government

Yaogan 9A (Remote Sensing Satellite 9A) China (PR) People's Liberation Army (C41) Government

Yaogan 9B (Remote Sensing Satellite 9B) China (PR) People's Liberation Army (C41) Government

Yaogan 9C (Remote Sensing Satellite 9C) China (PR) People's Liberation Army (C41) Government

Zhangguo Ziyuan 2B (ZY-2B) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology Military

Zhangguo Ziyuan 2C (ZY-2C) China (PR) Chinese Academy of Space Technology Military

Zheda Pixing (ZP-1, Zhejiang University-1) China (PR) Zhejiang University Civil

Zhongxing 20 (FH-2, Dong Fang Hong 58) China (PR) People's
Liberation Army (C41) Military

Zhongxing 22A (Chinastar 22A) China (PR) Chinasat Military

Zhongxing 9 (Chinasat 9, Chinastar 9) China (PR) Chinasat Government

CBERS 2 (China-Brazil Earth Resources Satellite, Zi Yuan 1-2) China (PR)/Brazil Chinese Academy of Space Technology/Institutio Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais Government/Commercial

CBERS 2B (China-Brazil Earth Resources Satellite, Zi Yuan 2B) China (PR)/Brazil Chinese Academy of Space Technology/Institutio Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais Government/Commercial

Double Star 2 (Tan Ce 2, Explorer 2) China (PR)/ESA Chinese National Space Administration/European Space Agency Government

After that list, we can add more launchs:
- 5th Beidou satellite, august 1 (posted earlier in the thread)
- YaoGan Weixing-10, august 10 (posted earlier in this thread);
- Mapping Satellite - I," august 24 (posted earlier in this thread);
 
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Hmm, spacecrafts docking. The Americans and Russians do it all the time.

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Satellite-watchers worry about China

June 15. Satellite-watchers say the craft went through six sets of maneuvers between the time of its launch and mid-August.
Alan Boyle writes: Strange maneuvers involving two Chinese satellites have some space-watchers worried — not just because the orbital maneuvers apparently resulted in a close encounter and perhaps even contact between the satellites, but also because the Chinese have said so little about the matter.

The worriers are concerned that the orbital shifts involving two Shijian ("Practice") research satellites were aimed at practicing techniques for disrupting other governments' satellites in the event of an international crisis. The nightmare scenario would involve a fleet of spacecraft that went after America's telecom and Earth-watching satellites, cutting off military communications and orbital surveillance capabilities.

There could be a far more benign explanation for the maneuvers, however: On-orbit rendezvous is a basic skill that would have to be mastered by any country seeking to build up infrastructure in orbit, as China is aiming to do. Such a skill would come into play not only for docking with a space station, but also for refueling or servicing satellites in need of help. For years, NASA and the Pentagon have been working on robotic procedures for on-orbit inspection and servicing of satellites.

Over the past couple of weeks, reports about the Shijian satellite maneuvers — and the worries about them — have shown up on a smattering of news websites over the past couple of weeks. One report, based on Russian commentary, even made its way onto the website of China's Xinhua news service. But to date, Chinese officials have made no official statement explaining what's going on.

Brian Weeden, technical adviser for the Secure World Foundation, lays out virtually everything that satellite-watchers have been able to glean about the maneuvers today in a report published online by The Space Review. He says the Shijian 12 research satellite, which was launched from China's Jiuquan space complex in June, was observed going through six sets of orbital maneuvers between June 20 and Aug. 16. The final maneuver put it in nearly the same orbit and location as an older satellite in the series, known as Shijian 06F, or SJ-06F.

At some point on Aug. 19, SJ-06F's orbit appeared to undergo a relatively slight change due to an anomalous perturbation, Weeden said. It's hard to say whether the satellites touched, or whether the appearance of a shift in SJ-06F's orbit was due to other factors — ranging from the effects of space storms to inaccuracies in satellite tracking data.

"It appears as though the anomaly on August 19 does reflect an actual change in the orbit of SJ-06F, although only time will tell for certain," Weeden said. "Analysis of its orbital position over the coming weeks and months will provide further evidence as to whether its orbit was changed or whether it was simply an anomaly in the data."

In the meantime, experts on military space operations are left to wonder why Shijian 12 was put through such a complex series of moves. One of the wonderers is NBC News space analyst James Oberg, a veteran of NASA's Mission Control and the author of "Space Power Theory." In an e-mail, Oberg said he found Weeden's article "technically sound, and fairly persuasive."

"But if the article is accurate, the secrecy implies an ominous and probably military intent on the part of China," Oberg wrote. "There are potential innocuous justifications for developing the technology — but in those cases, I would have expected China to brag openly about having done it."

Chinese and U.S. space operations sparked a debate over the potential for space warfare over the past few years, beginning with a Chinese satellite knockdown in 2007 and a similar operation conducted by the Pentagon in 2008. This latest satellite story could be a cause for serious concern about international space security. It could also be a misreading of innocuous rendezvous tests, or a phantom whipped up from faulty observations.

My view is that it's way too early to start rattling the sabers — but what's your view? Feel free to weigh in with your comments below.

Update for 2:15 a.m. ET Aug. 31: Oberg sent questions about the Chinese satellite maneuvers to the U.S. Strategic Command and received this e-mailed response from a Defense Department spokesperson:

"As reflected in the United States' new National Space Policy, the DoD [Department of Defense] believes it is in the shared interest of all nations to act responsibly in space to help prevent mishaps, misperceptions and mistrust.

"Based on your questions, our analysts determined there are two Chinese satellites in close proximity of each other.

"We do not know if they have made physical contact. The Chinese have not contacted us regarding these satellites."
 

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China launches SinoSat-6 telecommunications satellite via Long March 3B
September 4th, 2010 by Rui C. Barbosa and Chris Bergin

A Long March 3B (CZ-3B – Y13) has launched with the SinoSat-6 (also known as the ChinaSat-6A) telecommunications satellite on behalf of China. Lift-off took place at 16:14 UTC on Saturday September 4 (September 5 – 12:14 am local time) from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in SouthWest China’s Sichuan Province. The satellite will replace the SinoSat-3 satellite at 125 degrees East. (Launch Image from ChinaNews.com)

Chinese Launch:

The Chang Zheng-3B (CZ-3B) is China’s most powerful launch vehicle, featuring enlarged launch propellant tanks, better computer systems, a larger 4.2 meter (or 4.0 meter) diameter payload fairing – and the addition of four strap-on boosters in the core stage for additional boost during the first phase of the launch.

The rocket is capable of launching a 11,200 kg satellite to a low Earth orbit, or a 5,100 kg cargo to a geosynchronous transfer orbit in its basic version. The vehicle has a total length of 54.84 meters and a core diameter of 3.35 meters.

The first launch of the CZ-3B took place on February 14, 1996 – but failed shortly after lift-off in what is now known has the ‘St. Valentine’s Day Massacre’.

That failure occurred when the first CZ-3B stage suffered a problem just two seconds after lift-off, resulting in the vehicle veering heavily off the pad. With no range safety on board, the vehicle flew almost sideways for around a minute, before nose-diving into a nearby town, killing an untold amount of people. Recently unearthed raw video (30mb) of the launch, impact, and aftermath available on L2.

The first successful launch of the vehicle took place on August 19th, 1997, when the second CZ-3B orbited the Agila-2 ‘Mabuhay’ (24901 1997-042A) communications satellite.

China Satcom, a division of CASC, is in charge of operating the Sinosats, of which SinoSat-6 is being classed as a substitute bird.
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SinoSat-6 is a communications satellite based on the DFH-4 platform, and was built by the Chinese Academy for Space Technology. The satellite has an operational life of 15 years and will operate from geosynchronous orbit at 125 degrees east.

The spacecraft uses a three-axis stabilized DFH-4 bus, equipped with 24 C-band, 8 Ku band and 1 S band transponders. SinoSat-6 will cover China and partly its neighbouring countries.

The Xichang Satellite Launch Centre is situated in the Sichuan Province, south-western China and is the country’s prime launch site for geosynchronous orbital launches.

Equipped with two launch pads (LC2 and LC3), the centre has a dedicated railway and highway lead directly to the launch site. The Command and Control Centre is located seven kilometers south-west of the launch pad, providing flight and safety control during launch rehearsal and launch.

Other facilities on the Xichang Satellite Launch Centre are the Launch Control Centre, propellant fuelling systems, communications systems for launch command, telephone and data communications for users, and support equipment for meteorological monitoring and forecasting.

The first launch from Xichang took place at 12:25 UTC on January 29, 1984, when the CZ-3 Chang Zheng-3 (CZ3-1) was launched the Shiyan Weixing (14670 1984-008A) communications satellite into orbit.

I guess this is the replacement for Sinosat-2 which was also based on the DFH-4 bus. If you can recall, Sinosat-2 was the absolute failure, whereas sinosat-3 based on older technology was fine. I have not heard anything about sinosat-4 or 5 launches.
 

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Hmm, spacecrafts docking. The Americans and Russians do it all the time.

To what I understand from reading other articles is what makes it different is it was an autonomous programmed maneuver and not ground controlled.
 

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To what I understand from reading other articles is what makes it different is it was an autonomous programmed maneuver and not ground controlled.

Regardless of how the docking is carried out it won't be possible for China to assemble her space station until the details are worked out. Congrats! :china:
 

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Glad I checked this thread as I found a link to the same story about Robotic Docking and was about to post

Here the link anyway in Wired magazine

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This is not any area of especial knowledge of mine, so what is the concensus? Is the story true? are the "concerns " being raised legitimate? Is this showing an area where China is indeed right at the cutting edge?

Please let me know.
 

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Glad I checked this thread as I found a link to the same story about Robotic Docking and was about to post

Here the link anyway in Wired magazine

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This is not any area of especial knowledge of mine, so what is the concensus? Is the story true? are the "concerns " being raised legitimate? Is this showing an area where China is indeed right at the cutting edge?

Please let me know.

According to what Brian Weeden, a guy that I trusts, said, this is something China can use for a bunch of purposes. Imo, it's part of China's goal in comprehensively developing and testing out more advanced technology. Of course, if the alarmist really want to make this sound like an ASAT, there is not much you can do about it.
 

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According to what Brian Weeden, a guy that I trusts, said, this is something China can use for a bunch of purposes. Imo, it's part of China's goal in comprehensively developing and testing out more advanced technology. Of course, if the alarmist really want to make this sound like an ASAT, there is not much you can do about it.

I still think that the "rendevousing satellite" idea is too expensive and inefficient for ASAT. Why use your expensive, automatic satellite drone to ram another satellite out of orbit when you can accomplish the samething with warheads/ground based lasers?
 

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To what I understand from reading other articles is what makes it different is it was an autonomous programmed maneuver and not ground controlled.

I'm curious how they came to the conclusion that it was indeed an autonomous programmmed rendezvous independent of groundstation's command. If indeed that's the case, it would be quite an achievement as indications are that the satellites managed to make soft contact rather than bumped to each other.
 

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I still think that the "rendevousing satellite" idea is too expensive and inefficient for ASAT. Why use your expensive, automatic satellite drone to ram another satellite out of orbit when you can accomplish the samething with warheads/ground based lasers?

Why would you need to dock simply to destroy something? (assuming that there is a weaponised application behind all this).

The idea that comes to my mind is that you could use a few of such docking satellites to hack or even fully hi jack enemy sats. You therefore could simply be pirating a feed so you can see what the enemy is interested in or otherwise tasking, you could take the Sat over completely, denying it to your enemy and adding it to your own network, or subvert it to give the enemy the feed you want them to see.

Just imagine the chaos and delays you could cause to enemy C&C just by steering a satellite close to one of theirs and creating doubt about the integrity of the feed their Sat subsequently is sending them.
 
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