China's SCS Strategy Thread

[ZeEa5KPul]

This is a very bold claim to make.

No, it's just simple reality.

 

[zbb]

This is a very bold claim to make.

Not a bold claim at all. The productive sector of China's economy measured in PPP terms was almost 3 times that of the US for the period of 2010-2019 (the ratio is certainly even higher now). The rest of the West together (EU, Japan, UK, Canada, etc.) do not come close to being twice the US.

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[Inque]

Civilian industry does not necessarily translate to military production, especially shipbuilding. Yes, China's shipbuilding is indeed one of the largest, if not the largest in the world, but again, civilian ships are not the same as military vessels, and the US has a significant advantage in warships already.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Civilian industry does not necessarily translate to military production, especially shipbuilding. Yes, China's shipbuilding is indeed one of the largest, if not the largest in the world, but again, civilian ships are not the same as military vessels, and the US has a significant advantage in warships already.

what's the essential difference? the only one I can think of is going from diesel to gas turbines for DDGs and above, and having radars. But how different is the rest of the hull?

 

[lcloo]

Civilian industry does not necessarily translate to military production, especially shipbuilding. Yes, China's shipbuilding is indeed one of the largest, if not the largest in the world, but again, civilian ships are not the same as military vessels, and the US has a significant advantage in warships already.

You should make a search on the number of warships launched by China from 2010 to 2023 vs US launches. Also the number of shipyards capable of making large warships in China and US.

The difference of military ship building industries in two countries will be very obvious after you make the search.

 

[CMP]

This is what happens after a lifetime of being supersaturated by an environment of pure propaganda. One's understanding of reality and facts becomes unhinged. May as well give up and just get his news purely from Peter Zeihan, Gordon Chang, and Falun Gong.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Civilian industry does not necessarily translate to military production, especially shipbuilding. Yes, China's shipbuilding is indeed one of the largest, if not the largest in the world, but again, civilian ships are not the same as military vessels, and the US has a significant advantage in warships already.

Warhawks in Imperial Japan once made that same assessment, and look how great it worked out for them!

 

[Inque]

what's the essential difference? the only one I can think of is going from diesel to gas turbines for DDGs and above, and having radars. But how different is the rest of the hull?

The ship's hull isn't the hard part. It isn't the bottleneck to ship production. The internal systems are. Warships are vastly more advanced than civilian ships because of the necessities of war. They require advanced radar, damage control systems, weapons, and so on. Fitting out a warship takes a very long time even after the hull is completed.

This is what happens after a lifetime of being supersaturated by an environment of pure propaganda. One's understanding of reality and facts becomes unhinged. May as well give up and just get his news purely from Peter Zeihan, Gordon Chang, and Falun Gong.

I don't listen to those hacks, but neither do I overstate China's capabilities. It's important to have a realistic and accurate view of one's capabilities and not become arrogant. Claims that China can outbuild the collective west are dangerously overconfident.

 

[ansy1968]

The ship's hull isn't the hard part. It isn't the bottleneck to ship production. The internal systems are. Warships are vastly more advanced than civilian ships because of the necessities of war. They require advanced radar, damage control systems, weapons, and so on. Fitting out a warship takes a very long time even after the hull is completed.

I don't listen to those hacks, but neither do I overstate China's capabilities. It's important to have a realistic and accurate view of one's capabilities and not become arrogant. Claims that China can outbuild the collective west are dangerously overconfident.

Hi bro noted BUT the Collective West shouldn't underestimate the Chinese either, look at what happen in Ukraine, the Collective West can't even supplied the basic military material needed, IF ever it always fall short what is promised. That is against Russia, what more from the largest manufacturer in the world and the largest economy based on PPP.

I always support an arm races against the collective west because I want to see more military development from China. I want to see new submarine, JXX, JHX, HXX and many more.

And I know I can see all those development within my lifetime cause China never disappoint.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

The ship's hull isn't the hard part. It isn't the bottleneck to ship production. The internal systems are. Warships are vastly more advanced than civilian ships because of the necessities of war. They require advanced radar, damage control systems, weapons, and so on. Fitting out a warship takes a very long time even after the hull is completed.

I don't listen to those hacks, but neither do I overstate China's capabilities. It's important to have a realistic and accurate view of one's capabilities and not become arrogant. Claims that China can outbuild the collective west are dangerously overconfident.

ok. so what's the number of warships launched by the US vs. China per unit time?