China's SCS Strategy Thread

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
It will no longer be a contained conflict by then. If China and the US were to strike each other's civilian infrastructure on the mainland, it will be all out nuclear war. If anyone was going to do that, they might as well lob ICBMs.
You gonna nuke New York because a SMIC facility got bombed?
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Hypersonic missiles are good against focused, high value targets like warships, ammo dumps and the like. Against large targets like factories, they can cause localised damage, but are unlikely to be able to complete destroy the factory without a silly number being used.

You also need to consider the escalation curve.

Unless anyone thinks any US military action will involve strikes against Chinese civilian targets as their first step, then there is an extremely high likelihood that any US forward deployed missile batteries would have been obliterated by Chinese missile strikes long before they work their way down the priority target list to reach civilian targets.
 

hashtagpls

Senior Member
Registered Member
You gonna nuke New York because a SMIC facility got bombed?
China isn't lebanon or iraq that will allow a foreign nation to bomb its facilities without repercussions.

An attack on China proper will result in a nuclear missile on continental US; not even white privilege will protect the white anglos from nuclear fire.
Even their fucking genes will be poisoned.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
You gonna nuke New York because a SMIC facility got bombed?
More likely LA or something else on the west side. China will strike the American mainland if America strikes the Chinese mainland. That's all there is to it. An incoming missile is always assumed to be nuclear and a counter nuclear DF-ZF is launched even before it becomes clear what it was that was launched at China. It's Russia's doctrine as well; all incoming missiles are assumed to be nuclear and will cause nuclear retaliation before they even strike.

On another note, sensing impending war, China can have its critical production lines (as much as possible) to be moved to undisclosed underground production facilities with hardened walls and ceilings.
 

ougoah

Brigadier
Registered Member
It's already been said that if US strikes Chinese mainland cities with any weapon new land based HGV or a tomahawk missile, China will have to retaliate against US cities with long ranged missiles. China doesn't have bases surrounding the US and won't be placing missiles in Cuba like the Soviets did but it will now have more incentive to build and amass long range missiles. Building DF-31 and DF-41 is FAR cheaper than building military bases and supporting them if the only purpose of those bases were to launch missiles out of. The Americans need them for all sorts of equipment and troops so they carry that financial burden. In response, China ought to build thousands more DF-31 and DF-41 in case some hot headed hawk decides to try his/her luck.

American tolerance for having homeland attacked is nil. They would either escalate further which is suicidal or never have allowed the situation to take place. They will therefore only be using offensive weapons on military targets on Chinese mainland at most. The aim is to have a means to repel mainland landing on Taiwan island. If landing is successful and PLA capture parts of Taiwan, then they will be using these missiles with impunity. That means China needs to remove the threat of regional US bases and airfields.

China could also explore options for nuclear cruise missile subs for use in non-nuclear exchanges. Ideally carrying HGVs as a stealth, mobile launch platform. All these options are actually superior to land bases which will have lower survivability. The Americans already have air launched HGVs that are tasked with precision strikes. This land based type might be more versatile and carry a larger warhead. They could be planning to equip it with EW systems as an upgrade to their fleet of EW/EMP cruise missiles that were rumoured years ago.
 

hashtagpls

Senior Member
Registered Member
More likely LA or something else on the west side. China will strike the American mainland if America strikes the Chinese mainland. That's all there is to it. An incoming missile is always assumed to be nuclear and a counter nuclear DF-ZF is launched even before it becomes clear what it was that was launched at China. It's Russia's doctrine as well; all incoming missiles are assumed to be nuclear and will cause nuclear retaliation before they even strike.

On another note, sensing impending war, China can have its critical production lines (as much as possible) to be moved to undisclosed underground production facilities with hardened walls and ceilings.
Don't forget to target the billionaire bunkers in New Zealand; we mustn't let them escape justice either once hostilities commence.
 

BoraTas

Captain
Registered Member
It's already been said that if US strikes Chinese mainland cities with any weapon new land based HGV or a tomahawk missile, China will have to retaliate against US cities with long ranged missiles. China doesn't have bases surrounding the US and won't be placing missiles in Cuba like the Soviets did but it will now have more incentive to build and amass long range missiles. Building DF-31 and DF-41 is FAR cheaper than building military bases and supporting them if the only purpose of those bases were to launch missiles out of. The Americans need them for all sorts of equipment and troops so they carry that financial burden. In response, China ought to build thousands more DF-31 and DF-41 in case some hot headed hawk decides to try his/her luck.

American tolerance for having homeland attacked is nil. They would either escalate further which is suicidal or never have allowed the situation to take place. They will therefore only be using offensive weapons on military targets on Chinese mainland at most. The aim is to have a means to repel mainland landing on Taiwan island. If landing is successful and PLA capture parts of Taiwan, then they will be using these missiles with impunity. That means China needs to remove the threat of regional US bases and airfields.

China could also explore options for nuclear cruise missile subs for use in non-nuclear exchanges. Ideally carrying HGVs as a stealth, mobile launch platform. All these options are actually superior to land bases which will have lower survivability. The Americans already have air launched HGVs that are tasked with precision strikes. This land based type might be more versatile and carry a larger warhead. They could be planning to equip it with EW systems as an upgrade to their fleet of EW/EMP cruise missiles that were rumoured years ago.
Using an ICBM for a conventional strike is calling for armageddon. It actually makes massive sense but it is just too dangerous. IMO, China should focus on H-20 and SSGNs.
 

hashtagpls

Senior Member
Registered Member
Using an ICBM for a conventional strike is calling for armageddon. It actually makes massive sense but it is just too dangerous. IMO, China should focus on H-20 and SSGNs.
No nuclear powered state would tolerate any attack on its own soil, against its own citizens. Conventional or otherwise.

A rogue US General wanting to go General Ripper on China can similarly expect a Chinese nuclear reprisal. This ensures US high command also has the responsibility as well as the onus to ensure that it doesn't do something as stupid as launching an attack on China proper. It also ensures US allies in not going along with a US instigated attack against China, or at least lobbying the US against taking such actions.

That's what mutual assured destruction means.
 
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