China's SCS Strategy Thread

[plawolf]

I think there isn’t a huge amount China actually need to do in terms of the hearts and mind games in SEA, and that any attempt to do so would at best just be a waste of time and at worst be actively counterproductive.

At the end of the day, people in SEA (indeed like people in most parts of the world) are only pro-American because they see America as the dominant power.

You will not change the minds of people like that with soft power alone, which is why I don’t think China need it should play this game (other than doing its normal civic and moral dues, like disaster relief etc). At the end of the day, if you are strong enough, the same people brown-nosing America and doing Olympic level mental gymnastics to excuse their crimes and wrongdoings will do the same to justify sucking up to China once they see China as top dog.

 

[ansy1968]

I think there isn’t a huge amount China actually need to do in terms of the hearts and mind games in SEA, and that any attempt to do so would at best just be a waste of time and at worst be actively counterproductive.

At the end of the day, people in SEA (indeed like people in most parts of the world) are only pro-American because they see America as the dominant power.

You will not change the minds of people like that with soft power alone, which is why I don’t think China need it should play this game (other than doing its normal civic and moral dues, like disaster relief etc). At the end of the day, if you are strong enough, the same people brown-nosing America and doing Olympic level mental gymnastics to excuse their crimes and wrongdoings will do the same to justify sucking up to China once they see China as top dog.

@plawolf amen to that bro and also its a generational issue, it will take the next generation to solve the SCS problems but the present generation need to produce a conducive atmosphere for it to succeed, that is why the COC framework is important , that is the first step then the oil deal will be the icing on the cake cause it will bind the two country together cause its beneficial to both.

 

[Jono]

@voyager1 , Bro he won't announce it yet cause the US will derail it and the American knew it, there are a lot of spies inside the cabinet itself and in the security forces. But he and Xi had an understanding that Scarborough shoal will never be convert into an artificial island (China control it anyway) in return for an oil deal. 60/40 in favor of the Philippine may not be ideal for China but at least she had a shared and if agreed nullify the kangaroo arbitration and give Duterte the top billing to show for his China pivot. Sometimes you had give something to gain something, the sharing of resources in the SCS is a better way of not only maintaining peace but hold the whole region under your auspices. It binds the region to you without the need of war. And with an added bonus of showing the West how we Asian settled our difference with a win win solution instead of domination and seizing of resources.... Take that Trump ooh my bad Biden...LOL

please tell me more about this 60/40 sharing.
60 for China, or for the Philippines ?
thanks.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

please tell me more about this 60/40 sharing.
60 for China, or for the Philippines ?
thanks.

60 for Philippine

 

[hashtagpls]

I think there isn’t a huge amount China actually need to do in terms of the hearts and mind games in SEA, and that any attempt to do so would at best just be a waste of time and at worst be actively counterproductive.

At the end of the day, people in SEA (indeed like people in most parts of the world) are only pro-American because they see America as the dominant power.

You will not change the minds of people like that with soft power alone, which is why I don’t think China need it should play this game (other than doing its normal civic and moral dues, like disaster relief etc). At the end of the day, if you are strong enough, the same people brown-nosing America and doing Olympic level mental gymnastics to excuse their crimes and wrongdoings will do the same to justify sucking up to China once they see China as top dog.

Whilst a general amnesty for those who gave aid and comfort to the white anglos and colonisers is desirable and politically sensible, there are a portion for whom justice must be served.

 

[hullopilllw]

Have they signed the gas exploration deal ?

Last heard of it last Dec, then nothing onwards.

Is the solid methane included in ?

 

[Jono]

60 for Philippine

why should China give 60 % share of the oil profit to the Philippines since China is actually doing the hard works, equippment and labour and expertise ?
that is tantamount to an admission of guilt, and at least appearing to bending backward to please the Philippines, in my humble opinion. Well, unless China gets something big in return, like the Philippines tacitly recognising China's right to sovereignty, but is that even possible???

 

[hashtagpls]

why should China give 60 % share of the oil profit to the Philippines since China is actually doing the hard works, equippment and labour and expertise ?
that is tantamount to an admission of guilt, and at least appearing to bending backward to please the Philippines, in my humble opinion. Well, unless China gets something big in return, like the Philippines tacitly recognising China's right to sovereignty, but is that even possible???

Because Duterte isn't a cuck like previous Filipino leaders, and it's just good politics to reward good behaviour and show good faith, as opposed to anglos who do shit like backstab their own dictators/allies.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

why should China give 60 % share of the oil profit to the Philippines since China is actually doing the hard works, equippment and labour and expertise ?
that is tantamount to an admission of guilt, and at least appearing to bending backward to please the Philippines, in my humble opinion. Well, unless China gets something big in return, like the Philippines tacitly recognising China's right to sovereignty, but is that even possible???

Yeah it is a favor to Duterte by saying "look you get better deal with me than with western oil company" A Bit of politic For China it is better than get nothing because any exploitation of mineral wealth in EEZ belong to the contagious country according to UNCLOS

 

[Nutrient]

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, former Foreign Minister and then Deputy Prime Minister of Singapore. I am posting it here because of its connection to Singapore.

And finally the death pangs of a great civilisation. Here I can do no better than quote Khaldoun himself: "The fifth stage is one of waste and squandering. In this stage the ruler wastes on pleasures and amusements (the treasures) accumulated by his ancestors through (excessive) generosity to his inner circle at their parties. Also he acquires bad, low-class followers to whom he entrusts the most important matters (of state) which they are not qualified to handle by themselves... Thus he ruins the foundations his ancestors had laid and tears down what they had built up. In this stage the dynasty is seized by senility and the chronic disease from which it can hardly ever rid itself, for which it can find no cure, and, eventually, it is destroyed."

Does this remind you of any modern country? It does me. Ibn Kaldoun wrote the above 600 years ago.

By the way, the whole speech is worth reading. I can see why Rajaratnam is considered to have been one of Singapore's intellectual Big Three, along with Lee Kwan Yew and Goh Keng Swee. I can also see why Singapore prospered, with all that intellectual firepower available.