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Chinese envoy rebuts Vietnamese, Philippine accusations over South China Sea

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UNITED NATIONS, June 13 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese envoy on Friday forcefully refuted accusations made by Vietnam and the Philippines against China over the South China Sea situation, holding the two countries responsible for any disputes.

At the meeting of state parties to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) held here, Wang Min, China's deputy permanent representative to the United Nations, slammed Vietname and the Philippines for infringing upon Chinese territory.

Wang said that on May 2, a Chinese company's HYSY 981 drilling rig started its drilling operation inside the contiguous zone of China's Xisha Islands for oil and gas exploration. Vietnam sent a large number of vessels, including armed ones, to the site, illegally and forcefully disrupting the Chinese operation for over 1,400 times so far.

"What Vietnam did seriously infringed upon China's sovereignty, sovereign rights and jurisdiction, grossly violated relevant international laws, including the UNCLOS, undermined the freedom and safety of navigation in the related waters, and damaged regional peace and stability," said Wang, who also heads the Chinese delegation to the meeting.

In mid-May, with the connivance of the Vietnamese government, thousands of Vietnamese outlaws committed sabotage against foreign companies, including Chinese ones, in Vietnam, brutally killing four Chinese nationals, injuring over 300 others and causing heavy property losses, Wang added.

"Till now, Vietnam still has not responded to our legitimate demand," he noted.

The envoy pointed out that lies can never eclipse truth, nor can publicity stunts provide a legal cloak for illegal actions.

"What Vietnam needs to do now is to respect China's sovereignty, sovereign rights and jurisdiction, immediately stop all forms of disruptions of the Chinese operation and withdraw all vessels and personnel from the site, so as to ease the tension and restore tranquility on the sea as early as possible," Wang said.

He reiterated that Xisha Islands are an inherent part of China's territory, and are under effective jurisdiction of the Chinese government.

"There's no dispute about them," he said, pointing to the fact that all the successive Vietnamese governments prior to 1974 had formally acknowledged Xisha islands as part of China's territory since ancient times.

"Now the Vietnamese government is going back on its word and making territorial claims over China's Xisha Islands," Wang said, noting that Vietnam is reneging on its own promises, saying one thing today and denying it tomorrow.

"Our ancestors told us, trustworthiness is of paramount importance in state-to-state relations," he quoted.

"We would like to ask: how could Vietnam be trusted by the international community and how could Vietnam's international commitments be taken seriously in the future?" Wang said, referring to Vietnam's action as a violation of estoppel, a basic principle in the international law.

With regard to all the false accusations made by the Philippines against China, Wang pointed out the root cause of the disputes between China and the Philippines in the South China Sea is the Philippines' illegal occupation of some islands and reefs belonging to China's Nansha islands.

"The Philippines attempts to legalize its infringements and provocations by dragging China into arbitral proceedings," he said. "The Philippines is also trying to win international sympathy and support through deception. This is what the problem is in essence."

The ambassador noted that pursuant to the provisions of UNCLOS, the Chinese government made a declaration in 2006, excluding disputes over maritime delimitation and territorial sovereignty from compulsory dispute settlement procedures.

"As a sovereign state and a state party to UNCLOS, China has the right under international law to do this. China does not accept the arbitration initiated by the Philippines," Wang said, stressing that China's position based on the provisions of the international law will not change.

"China appreciates the efforts made by the majority of ASEAN countries to preserve regional peace and stability," he said. "We will continue working with ASEAN countries to strictly act on the DOC (the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea), promote practical cooperation, enhance mutual trust and jointly uphold peace and stability in the South China Sea."
 

Blackstone

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China Offers First Goodwill

China says it won't send navy to confront Vietnam

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BEIJING (AP) — China said Friday that it was exercising "maximum restraint" in its ongoing confrontation with Vietnam over a Chinese oil rig deployed in disputed waters and won't send its navy to the area.
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If China thinks Vietnam or anyone else will take Beijing promise of not sending the PLAN in the oil rig dispute, then she's fooling herself. The official organs of Vietnam, Philippines, Japan, and the US, aided and abetted by the lamestream Western media will put knives into China's reputation at every turn and little goodwill will materialize. China is better off saying she's keeping all options on the table and will deal with developing situations with appropriate measures. Of course, don't explain what "appropriate" means.
 

Blackstone

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Chinese envoy rebuts Vietnamese, Philippine accusations over South China Sea

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UNITED NATIONS, June 13 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese envoy on Friday forcefully refuted accusations made by Vietnam and the Philippines against China over the South China Sea situation, holding the two countries responsible for any disputes.

At the meeting of state parties to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) held here, Wang Min, China's deputy permanent representative to the United Nations, slammed Vietname and the Philippines for infringing upon Chinese territory.
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"China appreciates the efforts made by the majority of ASEAN countries to preserve regional peace and stability," he said. "We will continue working with ASEAN countries to strictly act on the DOC (the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea), promote practical cooperation, enhance mutual trust and jointly uphold peace and stability in the South China Sea."

Good move by China to play the PR game and to offer the rest of ASEAN political cover to stay out of the disputes. I read somewhere PLAx has professional
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for more realistic training, does the government or civilian think tanks also have professional International Relations OPFOR? Having groups with some of China's smartest, best educated, worldly, and aggressive out-of-box military and civilian thinkers to game such disputes and test out scenarios/responses for better management of disputes may be very useful.
 
They'll need a lot more than that to justify running down and sinking Vietnamese "fishing" boats, because what's in the video isn't nearly enough.


Since then when China sent a message that there are consequences for Vietnamese harassment, the Vietnamese harrassment and ramming has stopped. The Vietnamese claims has been refuted. A goodwill gesture to not send navy ships has been made towards Vietnam. This is good enough for now.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
If China thinks Vietnam or anyone else will take Beijing promise of not sending the PLAN in the oil rig dispute, then she's fooling herself. The official organs of Vietnam, Philippines, Japan, and the US, aided and abetted by the lamestream Western media will put knives into China's reputation at every turn and little goodwill will materialize. China is better off saying she's keeping all options on the table and will deal with developing situations with appropriate measures. Of course, don't explain what "appropriate" means.

the chinese are fully prepared, they don't make important moves (HYSY 981) in haste. they have anticipated every move the viets can possibly make and have corresponding measures. this is just PR and restating the fact that china will not fire the first shot. the viet coast guard personal have reported more than once that they saw Chinese fighters flying directly over their ships and they fly low enough to identify them. the message to the viets was clear, if they fire upon the Chinese ships they will know what will happen to them. they already set the rules of the game, fishing boats vs fishing boats, coast guard vs coast guard, boat ramming and water cannon is ok (yes its a rough game and someone can get hurt or killed) but firing weapons is NOT.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Since then when China sent a message that there are consequences for Vietnamese harassment, the Vietnamese harrassment and ramming has stopped. The Vietnamese claims has been refuted. A goodwill gesture to not send navy ships has been made towards Vietnam. This is good enough for now.

China promising not to send her navy into SCS disputes doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, because all sides know it isn't needed to mop up the South China Sea, one salami slice at a time. The minute the other belligerents (Philippines, Vietnam, Japan, Australia, US) send naval ships to stop the salami tactics, you'll see the Chinese Navy uncloak and in force. And then things get real interesting.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
the chinese are fully prepared, they don't make important moves (HYSY 981) in haste. they have anticipated every move the viets can possibly make and have corresponding measures. this is just PR and restating the fact that china will not fire the first shot. the viet coast guard personal have reported more than once that they saw Chinese fighters flying directly over their ships and they fly low enough to identify them. the message to the viets was clear, if they fire upon the Chinese ships they will know what will happen to them. they already set the rules of the game, fishing boats vs fishing boats, coast guard vs coast guard, boat ramming and water cannon is ok (yes its a rough game and someone can get hurt or killed) but firing weapons is NOT.

Vietnam learned the hard way what happens when its ships fire on Chinese assets in the 1988 Johnson's Reef skirmish, so it has no delusions on that topic. That's probably why Hanoi's trying new tactics with its Coast Guard and fishing fleets to frame China as the provocateur par excellence. If China cares to play the PR game, and her UN moves seems to suggest that's currently in play, then she can't respond to little love taps with ramming and sinking. There are certain... niceties to be observed, before she could bring down the hammer.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Philippines' Foreign Minister plans to ask ASEAN to call for construction moratoriums in the SCS. We can't be sure what outcomes that will produce, but my two guesses are 1) China will not stop SCS constructions, and 2) ASEAN will not present a united front against China for Vietnam and The Philippines. The bottom line is Philippines pisses into the wind, ASEAN is fractured, and China continues to turn the screws.

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BEIJING (AP) — The Philippines said Monday it would propose a moratorium on construction in the South China Sea, two days after China began building a school on a rugged outpost it created to strengthen its claims to disputed waters.

Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said he will propose that the Association of Southeast Asian Nations call for a moratorium — a move that China is likely to ignore or dismiss.

"I think we would use the international community to step up and to say that we need to manage the tensions in the South China Sea before it gets out of hand," del Rosario said.

China began building a school on the largest island in the disputed Paracel chain to serve the children of military personnel and others on Saturday, two years after it established a city there to administer hundreds of thousands of square kilometers (miles) of water where it wants to strengthen its control over potentially oil-rich islands that are also claimed by other Asian nations.

The island, known as Yongxing Island and Woody Island, is 350 kilometers (220 miles) south of China's southernmost province. Vietnam also claims the Paracel chain.

Del Rosario told ABS-CBN News that China is accelerating its "expansion agenda" in the South China Sea to get it completed before ASEAN countries and China draw up a code of conduct that sets rules to prevent incidents in the South China Sea.

He said a suggestion from Danny Russel, the U.S. top diplomat in East Asia, for a freeze in activities which escalate tensions in the area while a code of conduct is being worked out is "a reasonable approach" and one "I would like to initiate."

When China created Sansha city on Yongxing Island in July 2012, the outpost had a post office, bank, supermarket, hospital and a population of about 1,000. By December, it had a permanent population of 1,443, which can sometimes swell by 2,000, according to the Sansha government.

Now it has an airport, hotel, library, five main roads, cellphone coverage and a 24-hour satellite TV station, according to the government. It also has its own supply ship that brings in food, water, construction materials and people.

Tensions in the area have escalated since China last month placed an oil rig in waters about 30 kilometers (20 miles) from the Paracel Islands, leading to ongoing sea confrontations between Chinese and Vietnamese vessels.

On Sunday, the Philippines announced it had recently protested a land reclamation by China in the McKennan-Hughes reef in the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea. In April, Philippine officials protested after discovering Chinese vessels had reclaimed a large patch of land in Johnson South Reef, also in the Spratlys.

Philippine officials have reported Chinese land reclamations in two other Spratly reefs, called Cuarteron and Gaven, saying China could build military bases and airstrips on the reclaimed areas to boost its military presence.
 

joshuatree

Captain
Philippines' Foreign Minister plans to ask ASEAN to call for construction moratoriums in the SCS. We can't be sure what outcomes that will produce, but my two guesses are 1) China will not stop SCS constructions, and 2) ASEAN will not present a united front against China for Vietnam and The Philippines. The bottom line is Philippines pisses into the wind, ASEAN is fractured, and China continues to turn the screws.

Actually, I don't think Vietnam would agree to this either. They're building their own fortifications as well out there.
 
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