China's SCS Strategy Thread

solarz

Brigadier
In addition to Kim Jong-un, Donald J. Trump has shown the world his preferred method of action is to talk loud, shoot from the hip, and throw bulls into china shops. Trump is a loose cannon with the arsenal of a superpower, and Kim is nuclear-tipped nitroglycerin with nothing to loose. The situation is chaotic and likely to get worse before it gets better.

Trump talks loud. That's it. Everyone keeps claiming that Trump will act recklessly (key word: *will*), but I have yet to see any evidence. He ended up toeing the line on the One-China policy, and his "wall" is still made of only words so far. About the biggest impact he's had so far is the Muslim travel ban, which was quickly overturned by the Judicial branch. We have yet to see any evidence of the US preventing China from accessing their islands.

From everything we've seen, Trump talks a big game but does very little. I don't think that will change in the next 4 years.
 

KIENCHIN

Junior Member
Registered Member
Trump talks loud. That's it. Everyone keeps claiming that Trump will act recklessly (key word: *will*), but I have yet to see any evidence. He ended up toeing the line on the One-China policy, and his "wall" is still made of only words so far. About the biggest impact he's had so far is the Muslim travel ban, which was quickly overturned by the Judicial branch. We have yet to see any evidence of the US preventing China from accessing their islands.

From everything we've seen, Trump talks a big game but does very little. I don't think that will change in the next 4 years.
It is still early days, he has issues setting up his team. Apart from the scandal with the national security adviser having been forced to resign, he has problems with getting a suitable candidate for the post of secretary of the navy.
 

solarz

Brigadier
It is still early days, he has issues setting up his team. Apart from the scandal with the national security adviser having been forced to resign, he has problems with getting a suitable candidate for the post of secretary of the navy.

That's fine, but until he actually does something, we should not be making assumptions about what he will do and how he would do it.

Trump claimed that he would leverage the "One China" policy in negotiations with China. He also claimed that he would fight for the Muslim travel ban up to the Supreme Court if necessary.

Trump likes to bluster on twitter. We have yet to see him follow up on his boasts.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
Trump talks loud. That's it. Everyone keeps claiming that Trump will act recklessly (key word: *will*), but I have yet to see any evidence. He ended up toeing the line on the One-China policy, and his "wall" is still made of only words so far. About the biggest impact he's had so far is the Muslim travel ban, which was quickly overturned by the Judicial branch. We have yet to see any evidence of the US preventing China from accessing their islands.

From everything we've seen, Trump talks a big game but does very little. I don't think that will change in the next 4 years.

well remember the Chinese saying ''the dog that barks loud doesn't bite, the silent dog that don't bark is the dangerous one''. so far we see lots of barking from Trump and his cronies but very little bite.
 

KIENCHIN

Junior Member
Registered Member
well remember the Chinese saying ''the dog that barks loud doesn't bite, the silent dog that don't bark is the dangerous one''. so far we see lots of barking from Trump and his cronies but very little bite.
Or it maybe the calm before the storm, don't write this nut job of yet. As I say it is still early days. The fact that he has run into so many road blocks and the frustration of being able to do a deal with the Russians thwarted gives me comfort.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
The biggest risk with Trump doesn't seem to be a question of his bite or bark, but rather his temperament, inexperience and sources of information.

Trump most likely genuinely doesn't have a clue when it comes to a lot of important subjects, and he may be getting really bad advice from his preferred alternative news sources and close advisors.

I strongly suspect he does not fully grasp the full implications of a lot of the big calls he is making. And this is where his temperament is key.

He is a classic wannabe alpha, and will dig his heels in even if he know he is wrong to avoid admitting he might have made a mistake.

China has been smart so far to avoid publicly blasting him, so that has given him the time and, more importantly, avoided triggering his defensive instincts, so he can calm down and quietly backtrack, as he has with Taiwan.

The risk is that he says or does something, based on bad information and/or a lack of understanding of the consequences, as to force Beijing to issue a strong, public and immediate rebuttal or response.

A classic example might be if he goes through the loony toon idea of blockading China's islands or sending ships inside the lagoons of the islands to conduct surveying.

Such a course of action will rapidly trigger a series of escalation acts and counter-acts, that will rile him up and make him go with his gut instinct to always double down and assume the other guy will blink first. Before he knows it, he is so far down the road to war his ego won't allow him to back down from it even if he knows full well it will be a disaster and never wanted for things to go so far.
 

Ultra

Junior Member
Trump talks loud. That's it. Everyone keeps claiming that Trump will act recklessly (key word: *will*), but I have yet to see any evidence. He ended up toeing the line on the One-China policy, and his "wall" is still made of only words so far. About the biggest impact he's had so far is the Muslim travel ban, which was quickly overturned by the Judicial branch. We have yet to see any evidence of the US preventing China from accessing their islands.

From everything we've seen, Trump talks a big game but does very little. I don't think that will change in the next 4 years.


Trump is gearing America up for the biggest fight of the century.
He just slashed every department in federal government by a whopping $50 billion and redirected that $50 billion to the Pentagon. AND THAT'S JUST THE START.

$50 billion can buy you couple of those shiny new aircraft carriers, or a dozen Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers, or 1351 Trident Missiles, or 7143 Minuteman III ICBM.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Trump is gearing America up for the biggest fight of the century.
He just slashed every department in federal government by a whopping $50 billion and redirected that $50 billion to the Pentagon. AND THAT'S JUST THE START.

$50 billion can buy you couple of those shiny new aircraft carriers, or a dozen Arleigh Burke Class Destroyers, or 1351 Trident Missiles, or 7143 Minuteman III ICBM.

It's easy to spend other people's money. Trump is very good at that.

It's another matter altogether to start a fight with a nuclear-armed country. I would guess Trump likes his towers and wants to keep them after finishing his 4-year stint in the White House.

The thing a lot of people seems to miss is that, despite all his tough rhetoric, Trump personally stands to lose a lot in the event of a major conflict with China.
 

Janiz

Senior Member
The thing a lot of people seems to miss is that, despite all his tough rhetoric, Trump personally stands to lose a lot in the event of a major conflict with China.
lol, like he will care about his (or his family's) billion of USD in such case.
 

vesicles

Colonel
lol, like he will care about his (or his family's) billion of USD in such case.

Wait, I'm confused. Do you mean to say that he won't care about his own billions of USD in such case?

Why would anyone not care their billions of dollars? This is why conflict of interest matters. And the congress has a committee dedicated to such matters.
 
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