China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Equation]

The world keeps turning so it's an ongoing effort. Containment is just a euphemism for strangulation-rather-than-bash-their-skull-in, so the goal has not been achieved yet. The threat is any potential to challenge whatever the powers-that-be want to do, especially when what they want to do is particularly unfair, unreasonable, and harmful to others.

Hard power example - the US military pivot to Asia which is very real, significant, and effective despite domestic political bashing often heard in this forum. More of the best of the best military in the world, the most cutting edge equipment of all stripes, will be based in Asia. A slew of arms deals and military exchanges not just to improve the military capabilities of a number other Asian countries but also to influence those militaries to prime them for an anti-China alliance even if informal. China's maritime geographical disadvantage has already long been exploited with the annexation and militarization of the Ryukyus, support for the Taiwan military, foreign naval basing in the Philippines and possibly Vietnam, and the fact that China is in such a disadvantageous physical position in the Spratlys which it is trying to ameliorate with building on its holdings.

China's A2/AD has already put that power into question whether some want's to agreed or disagreed, but it has already caused the Pentagon lost of sleep knowing a confrontation with China will be extremely costly both diplomatically, militarily, and economically.

As for soft power China pretty much already have free trade agreement with South Korea, Australia, and many of it's Asian neighbors that put the TPP to shame. The South Korea and Japanese agreement to the past Japanese Agression during WW2 will further increase China's stance on Japan's holocaust in China. This will open up more Asian nations to push for Japan to accept their past aggression and wrong doing during WW2.

 

[Ultra]

Containment is just a euphemism for strangulation-rather-than-bash-their-skull-in.

OMG, that must be the best quote of the day!

 

[GreenestGDP]

IMHO,

1ST) PRC should immediately open another front by helping IRAN to become Super Strong economically and Super Strong militarily behind scene, but in such a very proactive way.
For example:
Right away PRC shall give IRAN these equipments below:

1) Cutting edge Radar systems both for stealth and non stealth aircraft.
2) Adequate SAM systems
3) Cutting edge AShM mounted on trucks.
4) Cutting edge Drones

5) KJ-200 and KJ-500 and the Integrated Battle Network
6) Invite IRAN AF pilots to PRC to train and develop combat tactic with J-10B ( 30 units )
7) With the Russians blessing before hand, let IRAN borrow J-11B ( 30 units )

This IRAN front will divert King of the Hill that can--not--be--named
military assets away from SCS, and back to Persian Gulf.

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2ND) PRC shall promote and help Okinawan in removing their 70+ years suffering by forcing CaiXin and CCTV to broadcast and spotlighting the Okinawan suffering at minimum 20 minutes everyday, and replaying it at minimum 3x per day.

This will eventually force King of the Hill that can--not--be--named to
move their military assets all the way down to Darwin Australia.
This military assets relocation will increase the economic costs of harassing the PRC by significant margin, and further draining the King of the Hill military budget.

If we are lucky, the peaceful faction will demonstrate everyday, asking
Abe to resign.


President Hassan Rouhani and President XI Jin Ping



NOTE: This morning, Saudi severe diplomatic relationship with IRAN.

... ... back to PRC strategy in SCS.

 

[Blackstone]

IMHO,

1ST) PRC should immediately open another front by helping IRAN to become Super Strong economically and Super Strong militarily behind scene, but in such a very proactive way.
For example:
Right away PRC shall give IRAN these equipments below:

1) Cutting edge Radar systems both for stealth and non stealth aircraft.
2) Adequate SAM systems
3) Cutting edge AShM mounted on trucks.
4) Cutting edge Drones

5) KJ-200 and KJ-500 and the Integrated Battle Network
6) Invite IRAN AF pilots to PRC to train and develop combat tactic with J-10B ( 30 units )
7) With the Russians blessing before hand, let IRAN borrow J-11B ( 30 units )

This IRAN front will divert King of the Hill that can--not--be--named
military assets away from SCS, and back to Persian Gulf.

Very bad good idea, since China currently has good relations with everyone in the Middle East, and offending Saudi Arabia for no gain doesn't make any sense. As for selling weapons to Iran, once the UN lifts all its restrictions, China would likely sell them lots of previously restricted weapons, but not more than it would upset important trading partners.

2ND) PRC shall promote and help Okinawan in removing their 70+ years suffering by forcing CaiXin and CCTV to broadcast and spotlighting the Okinawan suffering at minimum 20 minutes everyday, and replaying it at minimum 3x per day.

Keep talking, you've piqued my interests...

 

[Brumby]

You say you don't know what I meant by China no longer accepts American primacy as the basis of Asian security order, but you disagree with it. Wonderful. What am I missing?

Firstly your initial post talked of American military primacy and your subsequent post mentioned American primacy. Precisely why I asked that you clarify your views before I respond to it because I do not intend to get into a convoluted and meaningless discussion if we can't even establish the subject matter.

 

[Blackstone]

Firstly your initial post talked of American military primacy and your subsequent post mentioned American primacy. Precisely why I asked that you clarify your views before I respond to it because I do not intend to get into a convoluted and meaningless discussion if we can't even establish the subject matter.

By American primacy as the basis of Asian security order, I mean roughly this:

• US provided post-WWII security in Asia through combination of being the leading military, economic, and geopolitical power, supported by a network of alliances
• PRC opposed American primacy until 1972 when Nixon went to Beijing where Mao agreed to accept US primacy as basis of Asian security order, in exchange for support against USSR and Western/Japanese assistance in economic and military developments
• China benefited from the arrangement and focused on internal development. It had about three decades of near-double digit growth, and in time displaced America as Asia's economic leader
• The 1996 Taiwan Straits crisis prompted Chinese leaders to increase defense spending and modernize its military and security forces
  
• In recent years, China made it clear it no longer accepts US primacy (now down to just military) as the basis of the Asian security order

To the best of my knowledge, the points are widely accepted and in the mainstream of geopolitical/international relations thinking.

 

[longmarch]

• PRC opposed American primacy until 1972 when Nixon went to Beijing where Mao agreed to accept US primacy as basis of Asian security order, in exchange for support against USSR and Western/Japanese assistance in economic and military development

Huh? Even Vietnam didn't accept US primacy, how could Mao accept it when US was bogged down in Vietnam and thinking of bowing out.

 

[Blackstone]

Huh? Even Vietnam didn't accept US primacy, how could Mao accept it when US was bogged down in Vietnam and thinking of bowing out.

Mao accepted American primacy after meeting Nixon is history. Go and read it up, but you might need a VPN for that.

 

[longmarch]

Mao accepted American primacy after meeting Nixon is history. Go and read it up, but you might need a VPN for that.

I sent out the message pre-maturely. Took me too much time to edit it and I lost my editing.
Yes Mao's discussion with Nixon has been declassified long time ago, show me if you will where he accepted so called US primacy.
US severing official ties with Taiwan and withdraw all military personnel is a precondition for establishing diplomatic relationship with PRC. Does this look like China acceptting US primacy?
China did stop pushing US completely out of East Asia. This was discussed during Zhou-Kissinger meeting. Kissinger rightfully pointed out that US out of asia would leave a vacuum for Japan, which Zhou didn't contest. But this was a far cry from "accepting" US primacy. In fact Zhou rejected Kissinger's suggestion of "aiding" China with satellite communication equipment ; instead it was rented, with China selling US the right to broadcast Nixon's visit, with the same price. You get the idea? Yes US and China came together against USSR, out of mutual interest, but any suggestion that China would accept a secondary subordinate relationship is simply ridiculous and not acceptable. This was the exact reason China broke up with USSR.
I don't think even Vietnam today would accept so called US primacy, let along then China, when tens of thousands of troops from China were deployed to defend Vietnam from US air attacks. Remember it was Nixon coming to China, before any formal relationship existed, not the other way around.

 

[Blackstone]

Longmarch, I get the sense you think China accepted US primacy in Asia was a dick size contest, and I'd like to put that to rest, because it wasn't. Both countries acted in their own best interests, and both sides benefited.

The Shanghai Communique of 1972 spelled out where US and China agreed and disagreed. US continued its "one China" policy but with Beijing as government of China, and not Taipei, so Mao and Zhou negotiated a good deal for the PRC. No one disputes that. In return, China accepted US leadership and Bretton Woods rules in Asia and received all sorts of economic and military aid for the act. Those are the facts, and they're extremely well documented.

Do some independent research in the World Wide Web on American primacy in Asia and see what you could find. Keep in mind China accepting US primacy wasn't a bad thing and wasn't a put down of China, as both sides gained from the arrangement.