Apparently, this picture has been used to indicate that they did.
Whether that is actually from the 30th or not, I do not know.
BTW, my translation of the above quote you posted in Chinese renders:
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Whether that is actually from the 30th or not, I do not know.
BTW, my translation of the above quote you posted in Chinese renders:
Well, this is well to the north on Woody Island in the Parcells. Wituin range of support...but still well to the north.
You can see the Parcells called out on the inset to this map showing the Reclamation islands.
My guess is, given the details of the post and the training regiment they are introducing there with their deployment, I believe t was probably already planned.
But they are certainly advertising it and that part could be an answer.
From HK newspaper, MingPao, on 11/ 02/ 2015,
"中澳軍艦南海演練相遇規則"
Chinese (French) and Australian battleships practice encounter rules at the South China Sea
"據中新社消息，上周五（30日）中午，中國導彈護衛艦「運城號」及法國「葡月號」組成的艦艇編隊抵達演練海域，展開海上補給演練，隨後又以編隊齊轉、魚貫轉向等方式展開編隊運動演練。"
According to China News Service, last Friday (30th) at noon, ship formation consisting of the Chinese missile frigate "Yuncheng" and the French "Vendémiaire" arrived at the drills waters, conducted sealift exercise, followed by formation turn, serial turn, and other drills to conduct formation exercise practice.
"而澳洲皇家海軍「阿蘭塔號」（Arunta）及「斯圖爾特號」（Stuart）導彈護衛艦，上周六抵達湛江，開始對南海艦隊為期3天的訪問。兩國海軍官兵除互相參觀、交流聯誼外，還將圍繞《海上意外相遇規則》展開海上實兵演練。路透社報道，澳洲國防部長佩恩（Marise Payne）早前強調，澳洲海軍一直都與區內其他國家的海軍互訪港口及作軍演，不會因美艦巡南海而改變或押後原定行程。"
The Royal Australian Navy (Arunta) and (Stuart) guided missile frigate, arrived on Saturday in Zhanjiang, began a visit with the South China Sea Fleet for a period of 3 days. In addition to naval officers of the 2 nations visiting each other with friendly exchange, (they) would also focus on "Maritime accident encounter rules" and conduct maritime military exercise. Reuters reported that the Australian Defense Minister (Marise Payne) earlier stressed, that the Australian Navy and those with other countries in the region, have been visiting each others naval ports for exercise, wouldn't change or postpone scheduled plans, because of US battleships patrolling the South China Sea.
"中澳軍艦南海演練相遇規則"
Chinese (French) and Australian battleships practice encounter rules at the South China Sea
"據中新社消息，上周五（30日）中午，中國導彈護衛艦「運城號」及法國「葡月號」組成的艦艇編隊抵達演練海域，展開海上補給演練，隨後又以編隊齊轉、魚貫轉向等方式展開編隊運動演練。"
According to China News Service, last Friday (30th) at noon, ship formation consisting of the Chinese missile frigate "Yuncheng" and the French "Vendémiaire" arrived at the drills waters, conducted sealift exercise, followed by formation turn, serial turn, and other drills to conduct formation exercise practice.
"而澳洲皇家海軍「阿蘭塔號」（Arunta）及「斯圖爾特號」（Stuart）導彈護衛艦，上周六抵達湛江，開始對南海艦隊為期3天的訪問。兩國海軍官兵除互相參觀、交流聯誼外，還將圍繞《海上意外相遇規則》展開海上實兵演練。路透社報道，澳洲國防部長佩恩（Marise Payne）早前強調，澳洲海軍一直都與區內其他國家的海軍互訪港口及作軍演，不會因美艦巡南海而改變或押後原定行程。"
The Royal Australian Navy (Arunta) and (Stuart) guided missile frigate, arrived on Saturday in Zhanjiang, began a visit with the South China Sea Fleet for a period of 3 days. In addition to naval officers of the 2 nations visiting each other with friendly exchange, (they) would also focus on "Maritime accident encounter rules" and conduct maritime military exercise. Reuters reported that the Australian Defense Minister (Marise Payne) earlier stressed, that the Australian Navy and those with other countries in the region, have been visiting each others naval ports for exercise, wouldn't change or postpone scheduled plans, because of US battleships patrolling the South China Sea.
Equation
Lieutenant General
So was this the real reason why the USS Lassen was there over in the SCS in the first place? Perhaps not, but interesting read never the less.
A Chinese attack submarine stalked the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan near Japan last month in the closest encounter between a carrier and a People’s Liberation Army Navy submarine since 2006, according to American defense officials.
The Chinese submarine sailed very close to the Reagan during the weekend of Oct. 24, said defense officials familiar with reports of the incident.
The incident occurred as the Reagan sailed from its home port to the Sea of Japan around the southern end of Japan.
Days later, in the Sea of Japan, the Reagan was for a close flyby by two Russian Tu-142 bombers that flew within a mile of the ship at an altitude of 500 feet. US Navy jets were scrambled to escort the bombers away from the carrier group.
The submarine encounter also occurred days before the USS Lassen, a guided missile destroyer, carried out a freedom of navigation operation in the South China Sea.
The Lassen’s passage within 12 miles of a disputed island in the South China Sea on Oct. 26 was fiercely denounced by the Chinese government. Chinese spokesmen, both military and civilian, said the passage was a violation of Beijing’s territorial sovereignty, a claim rejected by the United States, which said the ship was sailing in international waters.
Disclosure of the Chinese submarine encounter comes as Adm. Harry Harris is visiting China for the first time as the commander of US forces in the Pacific.
Pacific Fleet and Pacific Command spokesmen declined to comment on the submarine encounter but did not deny that the incident occurred.
Additional details of the encounter — such as the type of submarine involved, whether it surfaced or remained submerged, and how close it came to the ship — could not be learned.
The nuclear-powered carrier is a symbol of US power projection capabilities. China’s military has been attempting to drive the US military out of Asia as part of efforts to assume the sole leadership role in the region.
One defense official said the detection of the submarine set off alarm bells on the Reagan, although it could not be learned whether anti-submarine warfare aircraft were launched to locate and track the vessel.
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Other defense officials said the Reagan’s recent submarine encounter appeared similar to China’s of the aircraft carrier USS Kitty Hawk in 2006.
During that incident, a Song-class attack submarine surfaced undetected within torpedo range of the Kitty Hawk on Oct. 26, 2006 — nearly nine years to the day of the recent Reagan encounter.
The 2006 incident was also disclosed during the visit to China by Adm. Gary Roughead, then-commander of the US Pacific Fleet.
China is known to use its military forces to send political messages, and it appears that the Reagan incident was also timed to the expected navigation operation in the South China Sea and to Harris’ visit.
Harris has been a forceful advocate within the military for challenging China’s claims to vast areas of the South China Sea. He told a Senate hearing in September that “the South China Sea is no more China’s than the Gulf of Mexico is Mexico’s.”
Harris visited US troops in South Korea over the weekend and took part in the annual US-South Korea Military Committee Meeting and Security Consultative Meeting in Seoul.
On Monday, Harris traveled to Beijing for a three-day visit and talks with Chinese military leaders. He was scheduled to speak at Peking University on Monday.
“Sustained military-to-military dialogue between the US and China is designed to maximize cooperation on areas of mutual interest while candidly addressing and managing disagreements,” the Pacific Command statement said.
Harris’ last visit to China took place in April 2014, when he took part in talks with the Chinese military on a Code of Unplanned Encounters at Sea in Qingdao, China. The code, which covers submarine-ship encounters, was approved in 2014.
It is not known whether the Chinese submarine followed safety guidelines outlined in the code during the Reagan encounter. The code is designed to prevent collisions at sea.
The Reagan and four other warships were on the way to conduct joint naval exercises with South Korean naval forces at the time of the Chinese submarine stalking.
The exercises were held Oct. 26 to Oct. 29 in waters around the southern end of the Korean peninsula. The carrier arrived Friday in Busan, South Korea, for a port call.
Accompanying the Reagan are the Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser USS Chancellorsville and the Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyers USS Fitzgerald and USS Mustin.
A Pacific Command statement issued Saturday said the Reagan is one of two carrier groups operating in the region. The second is the USS Roosevelt, which departed Singapore Oct. 28 on its way to San Diego.
The Reagan was “operating off the east coast of the Korean peninsula conducting routine bilateral training with the Republic of Korea navy,” the command statement said, adding that anti-submarine warfare training was part of the exercises.
“The US routinely conducts carrier strike group operations in the waters around the Republic of Korea to exercise maritime maneuvers, strengthen the US-ROK alliance, and improve regional security,” the statement said.
“The US Navy maintains a presence in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region to help preserve peace and security and further our partnerships with friends and allies,” said Rear Adm. John Alexander, the Reagan’s commander. “Our forward presence contributes to freedom of navigation and lawful use of the sea, as well as furthers operational training and enables an exchange of culture, skills, and tactical knowledge.”
Guang Niu/Getty
Rick Fisher, a Chinese military affairs analyst, said China’s willingness to use submarines to harass large US warships demonstrates that the Navy needs more submarines for escort missions.
It also highlights the need for additional US attack submarines as Los Angeles-class submarines are retired and are not replaced quickly enough by newer Virginia-class vessels.
“The importance of our aircraft carriers was just demonstrated in the South China Sea,” said Fisher, with the International Assessment and Strategy Center.
“While most press attention focused on the freedom of navigation exercise of the destroyer USS Lassen, the larger story was the fact that the destroyer was covered by the presence of the aircraft carrier USS Roosevelt,” he added. “The carrier was deployed to ensure that China was deterred from attacking or substantially harassing the destroyer.”
Fisher said that he expects China’s attack submarine fleet to begin increasing in size.
“The PLA may build up to 14 of their third-generation Type 095 SSN, which might add up to a total SSN fleet of about 20,” he said, using the military designation for attack submarines.
“Inasmuch as the US may only be able to spare about 30 SSNs for its Pacific-based forces, this could greatly stress the US submarine fleet absent new construction,” he added.
A fleet of 30 attack submarines may limit continuous deployment of submarines to around 10, given the need for maintenance and for crew rotations.
I think that's the picture the press is trying to paint here.
Green, scenarios like this, pitting the US and China in war against one another or against SD rules...even if you use "OpFor," when talking abut Guam, Okinawa, and Hawaii.
You have neem talked to about following SD rules in the past.
DO NOT TRY AND SKIRT SD RULES.
Any more of this will lead to a suspension from SD.
DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MODERATION.
You have neem talked to about following SD rules in the past.
DO NOT TRY AND SKIRT SD RULES.
Any more of this will lead to a suspension from SD.
DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MODERATION.
joshuatree
Captain
From the Flanker thread but figure the topic is more at home here.
What type of fuel storage options are available to small flat islands? I mean, there is the usual above ground storage tanks but they offer zero protection from the worst case scenario of being under attack. There are no hills to build the tanks into. Underground? How below ground can one get before hitting water?
Or tanks in the nearby shallow waters housed in concrete segments that can be sunk to the bottom much like how underwater tunnels for vehicles are built?
Or storage under a submarine pen equivalent?
The simplest would be to bring in an aviation fuel truck and rotate those with each supply vessel visit but the capacity would be very limited. Probably more useful to sustain recurring marine patrol craft operations from those islands.
Would there be any requirement of letting the newly reclaimed land to settle and compact first?
What type of fuel storage options are available to small flat islands? I mean, there is the usual above ground storage tanks but they offer zero protection from the worst case scenario of being under attack. There are no hills to build the tanks into. Underground? How below ground can one get before hitting water?
Or tanks in the nearby shallow waters housed in concrete segments that can be sunk to the bottom much like how underwater tunnels for vehicles are built?
Or storage under a submarine pen equivalent?
The simplest would be to bring in an aviation fuel truck and rotate those with each supply vessel visit but the capacity would be very limited. Probably more useful to sustain recurring marine patrol craft operations from those islands.
Would there be any requirement of letting the newly reclaimed land to settle and compact first?