China's SCS Strategy Thread
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TerraN_EmpirE
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They do however have other uses though in military operations. the most basic is recovery of a ship, Like When the USS Cole was bombed a semi submersible was used to bring it back to the US.
Another function is as a relay point between A RORO transporter and other craft. Infantry and vehicles could be rolled down the Ramp of a RORO on to a Landing craft like a Zubr-class LCAC then the submersible sinks allowing the the landing craft to launch for it's operations.
Another use is as a module carrier for various structures from a Helicopter deck module to Give the ship a Psudo LHA role. Or carrying a prefab structure like a base that could be rapidly moved onto a submerged Reef.
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USS Cole was transported by a commercial, IIRC Dutch, semi-submersible ship, not one belonging to USN. Did USN have such ships before it went into MLP's?
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TerraN_EmpirE
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Yes the MV Blue Marlin, Built in Taiwan operated by a Dutch firm contracted for the job. at the time I do not believe the USN had the capability.
Actually the US Navy's 1st use of such a ship to transport a damaged US ship was when the USS Samuel B. Roberts was damaged after she struck a in the in April 1988.
At that time they also used a Dutch ship (that had been built in Japan by Oshima Shipbuilding), the Mighty Servant 2.
Vessels like the Mighty Sevant 2 and the Blue Marlin are also called "flo-flo" vessels for Float on - Float off.
Generally, for these type of operations (hauling large damaged ships) the militaries of the world have turned to commercial operators because there is a business for that type of operation due to all of the commercial shipping that gets damaged at sea each year.
There simply has not been enough business/missions for such a vessel for most navies to warrant adding them and maintaining them. Far cheaper to hire commercial operators in the rare instances where they are needed.
Now, the US Navy has found an application for similar vessels...and I stress similar...in the Mobil Landing Platforms. China has seen the positive application when it comes to landing craft being either loaded on the vessel for transport, or, in the US case, for several LCACs being loading with material for ROR vessels.
As a side note...and sadly, the Mighty Servant 2 capsized on November 2, 1999 near the island of Singkep. The ship was traveling from to carrying a 8,790-ton offshore production module at the time. This happened in 35 meters of water and calm seas. Later, a hydrographic survey showed an unmarked granite pinnacle directly on the ship's course as the reason. Five crew died and Mighty Servant 2 was declared a total loss.
At that time they also used a Dutch ship (that had been built in Japan by Oshima Shipbuilding), the Mighty Servant 2.
Vessels like the Mighty Sevant 2 and the Blue Marlin are also called "flo-flo" vessels for Float on - Float off.
Generally, for these type of operations (hauling large damaged ships) the militaries of the world have turned to commercial operators because there is a business for that type of operation due to all of the commercial shipping that gets damaged at sea each year.
There simply has not been enough business/missions for such a vessel for most navies to warrant adding them and maintaining them. Far cheaper to hire commercial operators in the rare instances where they are needed.
Now, the US Navy has found an application for similar vessels...and I stress similar...in the Mobil Landing Platforms. China has seen the positive application when it comes to landing craft being either loaded on the vessel for transport, or, in the US case, for several LCACs being loading with material for ROR vessels.
As a side note...and sadly, the Mighty Servant 2 capsized on November 2, 1999 near the island of Singkep. The ship was traveling from to carrying a 8,790-ton offshore production module at the time. This happened in 35 meters of water and calm seas. Later, a hydrographic survey showed an unmarked granite pinnacle directly on the ship's course as the reason. Five crew died and Mighty Servant 2 was declared a total loss.
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Ahem. To quote Chairman Mao (so appropriate) "The Greater the Oppression, The Greater the Rebellion!"
Sansha is on Yongxing (Woody) Island, Paracel Islands.
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By Xu Wei and Huang Yiming in Sansha, Hainan (China Daily)
Updated: 2015-07-25 08:09
China's southernmost city of Sansha, which administers a number of South China Sea islands, will soon launch waste treatment facilities as local authorities intensify efforts to protect the local maritime environment.
The city government will soon bring into use a wastewater treatment plant and a garbage treatment plant on Yongxing Island, the Sansha government seat, its news office said in a statement on Friday, which was the third anniversary of the city's establishment.
Xiao Jie, the mayor of Sansha, said protecting the environment and the local ecology will be top priorities for the city government in the near future as it pushes forward improvements to local infrastructure.
Meanwhile, the Sansha authority has launched a fund of 10 million yuan ($1.6 million) a year to encourage fishermen to switch to other sectors, including catering services and the public service sector.
The city will create new job opportunities for its fishing population through the public service sector, including transportation between islands, landscaping and sanitation projects, he said.
Five family restaurants have already been opened by fishermen to cater to visitors on the island.
"We need to improve the income of the fishermen as we encourage them to take up other trades," Xiao said, adding that the authority worried that over fishing near the islets in Sansha might threaten the maritime ecology.
Sansha administers the Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha islands and their surrounding waters in the South China Sea.
The water treatment plant will process wastewater produced by 6,000 people on a daily basis, while the garbage treatment plant will process more than 2 metric tons of garbage daily.
Improving the infrastructure and living conditions of residents will be a priority for the city government in the near future. "The ultimate purpose of infrastructure improvements is to make the life of residents much easier and improve their happiness index," the mayor said.
The city government has also launched two new departments, a bureau of taxation and a marriage registration service, on Yongxing Island, as the city government seeks to increase its administrative functions.
Additionally, a refrigerated warehouse and a supply center for the fishermen of the Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha islands were inaugurated on Yongxing Island on Friday.
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() 23:32, July 22, 2015
SANSHA, Hainan. The young city of Sansha, encompassing a number of South China Sea islands, will soon put its waste treatment facilities into use for the first time, marking a step closer to its transformation to a modern city.
The project is aimed at addressing mounting sewage and trash generated by habitants and the flux of tourists and business people in Sansha, which will see its third birthday on Friday.
Since the city was established to administer about two million square kilometers of islands and territorial waters, it has become an increasingly comfortable home for hundreds of fishermen, government employees and troops.
However, landfills and discharge of untreated water have affected the fragile environment, said Chen Rufeng, an official of Yongxing Island, Sansha's government seat.
"The new facilities are being tested and are expected to start operation before long," he said.
Located on Yongxing Island, the wastewater treatment plant is designed with a daily capacity of 1,800 tonnes, equal to the amount of wastewater generated by about 6,000 people. It will also produce reclaimed water for cleaning roads and landscaping.
The garbage treatment project consists of a number of collection stations built on scattered islands, including a large collection and treatment plant on Yongxing Island, with a daily handling capacity of two tonnes. In addition, a vessel was manufactured to transport the garbage gathered on smaller islands to Yongxing.
Life on Sansha's islands has become more pleasant over the past three years, mainly due to improved infrastructure. In 2014, the local government managed to provide access to desalinated water and electricity, generated by solar power and gasoline, on all inhabited islands.
Currently, a government-led housing project is helping accommodate fishermen who live in cabins that are vulnerable to storms.
Construction of villas have started on Yongxing and Zhaoshu islands which are expected to house more than 100 families. An official with the city government told Xinhua that they might move in for free or only need to pay a small amount of rent.
Since January this year, a large supply ship with a displacement of about 8,000 tonnes began a route carrying daily necessities and food to the islets from the island province of Hainan, which is hundreds of kilometers away, up to twice a week, greatly relieving supply shortages on the islets.
Prior to that, a ship with a displacement of 2,500 tonnes would run the route once or twice a month.
"In the past, all my diet consisted of potato, onion, seafood and pork. But now I can find all kinds of vegetables and fruits, although they are more expensive here," said a man surnamed Wang, who frequently visits Sansha for business.
The new supply ship also helps Sansha's deep-sea fish reach more buyers in inland markets, sometimes as far as Beijing. Fisherman Fu Zaichou said fresh seafood can be rapidly shipped to Hainan and then sent to Beijing after two days on the road. "If Beijing customers like our fish, we will surely make much more money in the future."
Though fishing remains a traditional pillar of local economy, the local government is encouraging more residents to switch to the tourism service sector, catering for the buoyant cruise industry that has seen nearly 10,000 tourists since the service was launched in April, 2013.
This year, 10 million yuan (1.6 million U.S. dollars) was earmarked by the city government as financial support to those who want to start their own business, such as restaurants at scenic spots.
A snack chain store serving stewed duck neck along Beijing Road on Yongxing Island, has proven a big hit, with long queues seen nearly every night. "We made 5,000 yuan a day, and we run out of stock very often," said Wang Sisi, manager of the store.
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By Xu Wei and Huang Yiming in Sansha, Hainan (China Daily)
Updated: 2015-07-25 08:09
China's southernmost city of Sansha, which administers a number of South China Sea islands, will soon launch waste treatment facilities as local authorities intensify efforts to protect the local maritime environment.
The city government will soon bring into use a wastewater treatment plant and a garbage treatment plant on Yongxing Island, the Sansha government seat, its news office said in a statement on Friday, which was the third anniversary of the city's establishment.
Xiao Jie, the mayor of Sansha, said protecting the environment and the local ecology will be top priorities for the city government in the near future as it pushes forward improvements to local infrastructure.
Meanwhile, the Sansha authority has launched a fund of 10 million yuan ($1.6 million) a year to encourage fishermen to switch to other sectors, including catering services and the public service sector.
The city will create new job opportunities for its fishing population through the public service sector, including transportation between islands, landscaping and sanitation projects, he said.
Five family restaurants have already been opened by fishermen to cater to visitors on the island.
"We need to improve the income of the fishermen as we encourage them to take up other trades," Xiao said, adding that the authority worried that over fishing near the islets in Sansha might threaten the maritime ecology.
Sansha administers the Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha islands and their surrounding waters in the South China Sea.
The water treatment plant will process wastewater produced by 6,000 people on a daily basis, while the garbage treatment plant will process more than 2 metric tons of garbage daily.
Improving the infrastructure and living conditions of residents will be a priority for the city government in the near future. "The ultimate purpose of infrastructure improvements is to make the life of residents much easier and improve their happiness index," the mayor said.
The city government has also launched two new departments, a bureau of taxation and a marriage registration service, on Yongxing Island, as the city government seeks to increase its administrative functions.
Additionally, a refrigerated warehouse and a supply center for the fishermen of the Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha islands were inaugurated on Yongxing Island on Friday.
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() 23:32, July 22, 2015
SANSHA, Hainan. The young city of Sansha, encompassing a number of South China Sea islands, will soon put its waste treatment facilities into use for the first time, marking a step closer to its transformation to a modern city.
The project is aimed at addressing mounting sewage and trash generated by habitants and the flux of tourists and business people in Sansha, which will see its third birthday on Friday.
Since the city was established to administer about two million square kilometers of islands and territorial waters, it has become an increasingly comfortable home for hundreds of fishermen, government employees and troops.
However, landfills and discharge of untreated water have affected the fragile environment, said Chen Rufeng, an official of Yongxing Island, Sansha's government seat.
"The new facilities are being tested and are expected to start operation before long," he said.
Located on Yongxing Island, the wastewater treatment plant is designed with a daily capacity of 1,800 tonnes, equal to the amount of wastewater generated by about 6,000 people. It will also produce reclaimed water for cleaning roads and landscaping.
The garbage treatment project consists of a number of collection stations built on scattered islands, including a large collection and treatment plant on Yongxing Island, with a daily handling capacity of two tonnes. In addition, a vessel was manufactured to transport the garbage gathered on smaller islands to Yongxing.
Life on Sansha's islands has become more pleasant over the past three years, mainly due to improved infrastructure. In 2014, the local government managed to provide access to desalinated water and electricity, generated by solar power and gasoline, on all inhabited islands.
Currently, a government-led housing project is helping accommodate fishermen who live in cabins that are vulnerable to storms.
Construction of villas have started on Yongxing and Zhaoshu islands which are expected to house more than 100 families. An official with the city government told Xinhua that they might move in for free or only need to pay a small amount of rent.
Since January this year, a large supply ship with a displacement of about 8,000 tonnes began a route carrying daily necessities and food to the islets from the island province of Hainan, which is hundreds of kilometers away, up to twice a week, greatly relieving supply shortages on the islets.
Prior to that, a ship with a displacement of 2,500 tonnes would run the route once or twice a month.
"In the past, all my diet consisted of potato, onion, seafood and pork. But now I can find all kinds of vegetables and fruits, although they are more expensive here," said a man surnamed Wang, who frequently visits Sansha for business.
The new supply ship also helps Sansha's deep-sea fish reach more buyers in inland markets, sometimes as far as Beijing. Fisherman Fu Zaichou said fresh seafood can be rapidly shipped to Hainan and then sent to Beijing after two days on the road. "If Beijing customers like our fish, we will surely make much more money in the future."
Though fishing remains a traditional pillar of local economy, the local government is encouraging more residents to switch to the tourism service sector, catering for the buoyant cruise industry that has seen nearly 10,000 tourists since the service was launched in April, 2013.
This year, 10 million yuan (1.6 million U.S. dollars) was earmarked by the city government as financial support to those who want to start their own business, such as restaurants at scenic spots.
A snack chain store serving stewed duck neck along Beijing Road on Yongxing Island, has proven a big hit, with long queues seen nearly every night. "We made 5,000 yuan a day, and we run out of stock very often," said Wang Sisi, manager of the store.
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Sansha city on Woody (Yongxing Dao) Island is simply a success story for the PRC.
After WWII the Nationalist Chinese occupied it, but then withdrew to Taiwan in 1950. The PRC occupied the city in 1956 and have been there ever since. I believe the initial airfield was completed about 1990, but it has been steadily improved since.
In 2007 the PRC named Sansha as a county level administrative authority for the Paracel Islands, Macclesfield Bank (Zhongsha Islands) and the Spratly Islands. Then, in 2012 the PRC raised Sansha City to a Prefecture level in Hainan Province to basically administer and govern Chinese claims in the South China Sea, again including the Paracel Islands, Macclesfield Bank (Zhongsha Islands) and the Spratly Islands.
While this administrative/civilian administration was occurring, at the same time in 2012, the PRC authorized its Guangzhou Military Command to establish a garrison command in Sansha. This garrison was tasked to manage the city's defence, military reserve, and to carry out military operations in the area.
Here are some pictures of the development of the island and city over the last several years, from approximately 2010 through 2013:
After WWII the Nationalist Chinese occupied it, but then withdrew to Taiwan in 1950. The PRC occupied the city in 1956 and have been there ever since. I believe the initial airfield was completed about 1990, but it has been steadily improved since.
In 2007 the PRC named Sansha as a county level administrative authority for the Paracel Islands, Macclesfield Bank (Zhongsha Islands) and the Spratly Islands. Then, in 2012 the PRC raised Sansha City to a Prefecture level in Hainan Province to basically administer and govern Chinese claims in the South China Sea, again including the Paracel Islands, Macclesfield Bank (Zhongsha Islands) and the Spratly Islands.
While this administrative/civilian administration was occurring, at the same time in 2012, the PRC authorized its Guangzhou Military Command to establish a garrison command in Sansha. This garrison was tasked to manage the city's defence, military reserve, and to carry out military operations in the area.
Here are some pictures of the development of the island and city over the last several years, from approximately 2010 through 2013: