China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Unx~Jose]

I don’t understand why the PLAN and CCG engage in ramming at all.

Same diff with the PLAAF, zero idea what the deal is with the high risk intercepts.

Playing bumper cars with your billion RMB naval assets has got to be a form of mental retardation brainworm transferred through cross contamination via second rate backwards military like the Soviet/Russian Navy.

It’s utterly ridiculous and looks pathetic as well.

I don’t think the brass should be allowed to stop at stringing up a few COs, there should be major doctrinal reform and a reevaluation of whatever the fuck they’re trying to do in the SCS and more broadly what kind of military the PLA now is and wants to be.

I really admire with the ongoing modernization of the PLA as a whole, but they seriously need to scrap this idea if they ever truly want to become a modernized force.

When I meant by this "idea" but their entire behavior of risking their weapon by literally ramming to an opponent (ex of Hainan island incident and leaked footages of them ramming). It is unbecoming and embarrassing for a next superpower. Seriously, I hope this will finally taught them a lesson and adjust their doctrine.

 

[bsdnf]

that need balls to challenge US protect philipines promise paper , the thing CCP scare the most

Why not pursue more strategically significant goals when challenging US, like Taiwan?

I don't know why you're so enthusiastic about China launching a major operation in the SCS. If China becomes hawk in the SCS, PLAN could target all disputed countries in this area, definitely including Vietnam.

 

[Amistrophy]

it not the low or mid level comander issue , it the over all grovernment policy force PLAN hand lead to this dumb shjt

like : find a way to scare them without firing single shot or trigger US protect philipines agreement

that mean not only no shooting , but also no pointing gun to their face (ship/aircraft weapon system locked on) , no warning shot , no boarding (which require pointing gun to their face)

what the fk a navy can do without all of that beside water cannon and ramming ?

laser dazzler, microwave, smoke and flares,water cannons, sound cannons, radar beaming, propeller foulers, across the bow warning shots.

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If you’re so attached to taking your planes and ships and literally bodily throwing them at your opponents,
please use one of those ‘USV’ things everyone’s been talking about.

Of course, the real problem isn’t technology. It’s doctrine, politics, and in service culture. You could take any of the above nonlethal methods and also employ them in a completely reckless and unprofessional manner.

 

[GZDRefugee]

China's naval R&D is focused on disabling high end warships, submarines, aircraft, using nonlethal means or otherwise. Overreacting and overcommitting resources over this is not in China's long term interests.

I dunno about that. I can think of a wide array of applications for precision guided nonlethals/less-lethals for armed police and coast guard. That doesn't require any commitment from the naval R&D budget.

 

[plawolf]

At the end of the day, this is a political and leadership issue first and foremost. It’s all the silly political constraints that are in place tying the hands of frontline officers and sailors that forces them to engage in risky operations.

China has total escalation dominance in the SCS, it’s way past time it used that to its advantage.

China should just change the rules of engagement where they navy pulls well back and the Coast guard moves in to give radio warnings until Philippines ships pass certain lines, after which its warning shots and if that doesn’t work, the shots won’t be warning anymore. That will end all the Philippines stupid games in pretty short order as they can stop or they will run out of ships very quickly. What’s the US going to do? Slap more tariffs on China and have trade war 3.0?

If the USN wants a piece of the action, they can come and watch Philippines ships get smokes from as close as they want. The Chinese have extensive naval history in calling the USN’s bluff in such situations. They will just shoot the Philippines ships and leave the American ships. If a hothead USN captain wants to open fire first on Chinese Coast Guard ships, the PLAN warships nearby can immediately respond with overwhelming firepower. If Trump wants to escalate to full fleet action, then that’s an excellent way to wipe out significant portions of the USN and open Taiwan up wide for reunification.

 

[Dante80]

@votran can you kindly shut the fuck up with the lame hyper nationalist macho shit? Especially when you are talking about inciting governments to violence.

This is real life, not the War Thunder forums. The PRC is not the US, and not Russia. Countries don't have balls to begin with. And if you actually want to fight an actual war or skirmish, grab a rifle and move right along. I doubt you even know what an army is, let alone ever serving in one.

ffs with the sickos lately. This is not a videogame, we just had a naval mishap. People have died.

 

[zyklon]

that need balls to challenge US protect philipines promise paper , the thing CCP scare the most

To put it crudely: the Chinese would rather let the US overextend itself — preferably far away from Chinese shores — in lieu of expending more than necessary resources and bearing more than essential risks in expediting the decline, if not collapse of Pax Americana.

Operation Sindoor style measures obviously ain't the way.

In case you need something more visual to better understand China's approach:

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Why not pursue more strategically significant goals when challenging US, like Taiwan?

I don't know why you're so enthusiastic about China launching a major operation in the SCS. If China becomes hawk in the SCS, PLAN could target all disputed countries in this area, definitely including Vietnam.

@votran can you kindly shut the fuck up with the lame hyper nationalist macho shit? Especially when you are talking about inciting governments to violence.

This is real life, not the War Thunder forums. The PRC is not the US, and not Russia. Countries don't have balls to begin with. And if you actually want to fight an actual war or skirmish, grab a rifle and move right along. I doubt you even know what an army is, let alone ever serving in one.

ffs with the sickos lately. This is not a videogame, we just had a naval mishap. People have died.

From reading more of @votran's posts, it appears he is not necessarily concerned with the PLA, CMC and CPC acting or looking "soft."

He may very well be framing the Chinese authorities in a passive and negative light because he hopes to gaslight the Chinese into doing something reckless and potentially self-destructive.

He is after all from a country at odds with China over the Paracels and Spratlys.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Can’t help but feel that there has been so much winning for the first seven months of the year that people can’t take setbacks anymore. Maybe it is a bad thing.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Can’t help but feel that there has been so much winning for the first seven months of the year that people can’t take setbacks anymore. Maybe it is a bad thing.

Now thinking about it, maybe this will temper people's expectations of the 9-3 parade somewhat, lol.

 

[bsdnf]

I'm fed up with all the ineffective "just shot them" and even revanchist rhetoric on Weibo that calls for military action.

I'm more concerned about maritime law enforcement, which revolves around a territorial dispute. Is it possible to resolve the problem of maritime law enforcement by resolving the dispute?

Don't forget that the CCG and the PLAN have maintained de facto control over Huangyan Island for over a year. If this cat-and-mouse game has gone too far. Beware! That cat might unleashes nature's magic to turns Huangyandao into a concrete island, and the subsequent long-term presence of CCG and PLAN. CCG still won't fire, and willing to play the cat-and-mouse game, except the cat is sleeping in front of the mouse hole.