China's overland Silk Road and Maritime Silk Road Thread
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This post is for our Pakistani members of the forum.
I just read the book , its an excellent book that gives a broad overall view of almost every part of the world explains the local geography, politics and ethics situation on the ground.
The India and Pakistan chapter is very interesting, in the book I learned that Pakistan is actually dominated by about 4 ethics groups, Punjabis comprise 60 per cent of the population, the Sindhs 14 per cent, Pashtuns 13.5 per cent and Baluchis 4.5 per cent.
Punjabis are in control of the government as well as capital Islamabad and they are located in the north east part of Pakistan, the Pashtuns are located at West Pakistan bordering Afghanistan, then south west are Pashtuns who border rest of Afghanistan and port of Gwadar as well. Sindhs are top north west of Pakistan, the book says that all 3 groups does not really like Punjabis dominated government who seems them being treated as 2nd class citizens. (please correct if the book is wrong)
He also claims that Pashtuns who live in Pakistan are the same people of Pashtuns who controls Taliban in Afghanistan (also Pashtuns), and those people do not really care about borders, they just go back and forth all the time. He also said that Afghanistan Taliban was created by Pakistan ISI who needed a strategic retreat space in case of being attacked by India, that is why US was never able to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan, because Pakistan never give up on Taliban and always give them shelter when they fled from Afghanistan to Pakistan. The author also said that the Pashtuns and Baluchis have never really been fully under control of Pakistan government anyway, that they are in the process of fighting a slow civil war for Independence. So again, any of those are true? Taken out of context? If not what you think?
And lastly the most important quest of all, this looks extremely confusing and unstable, and look like the CPEC is going through all areas of Punjabis/Sindhs/Pashtuns/Baluchis controlled territory, who don't like each other very much, and there is also the factor of unstable Afghanistan as well, so that seems the ground situations is pretty complicated?
Also I'm sure China has taken all of this into consideration, but how are China and Pakistan are making sure that this will succeed? To me it look like China/Pakistan has to make sure this corridor going that is going through all of their lands must have local people involved and paid off, and provide long term jobs that benefit the local people, brings long term economic benefit so that they all have a stake in its success, what are the ways that China is doing to make sure this happens? This also means once US is withdraw from Afghanistan, sooner or later the Taliban will take over, or at least take over the Pakistan side of the Afghanistan so that means China also have to pay them off too, with so many party involved and situation so complicated on the ground, what are the risk of failure? This project cannot succeed if the local relations within Pakistan is not managed well.
I'm sorry if anything that I wrote is not accurate, I didn't know anything a bout Pakistan politics before reading this book, and I really didn't want to take the book's word for it, so that's why I want to know is there any Pakistani member here wants to correct me or confirm what I wrote here, please share.
Thank you
I just read the book , its an excellent book that gives a broad overall view of almost every part of the world explains the local geography, politics and ethics situation on the ground.
The India and Pakistan chapter is very interesting, in the book I learned that Pakistan is actually dominated by about 4 ethics groups, Punjabis comprise 60 per cent of the population, the Sindhs 14 per cent, Pashtuns 13.5 per cent and Baluchis 4.5 per cent.
Punjabis are in control of the government as well as capital Islamabad and they are located in the north east part of Pakistan, the Pashtuns are located at West Pakistan bordering Afghanistan, then south west are Pashtuns who border rest of Afghanistan and port of Gwadar as well. Sindhs are top north west of Pakistan, the book says that all 3 groups does not really like Punjabis dominated government who seems them being treated as 2nd class citizens. (please correct if the book is wrong)
He also claims that Pashtuns who live in Pakistan are the same people of Pashtuns who controls Taliban in Afghanistan (also Pashtuns), and those people do not really care about borders, they just go back and forth all the time. He also said that Afghanistan Taliban was created by Pakistan ISI who needed a strategic retreat space in case of being attacked by India, that is why US was never able to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan, because Pakistan never give up on Taliban and always give them shelter when they fled from Afghanistan to Pakistan. The author also said that the Pashtuns and Baluchis have never really been fully under control of Pakistan government anyway, that they are in the process of fighting a slow civil war for Independence. So again, any of those are true? Taken out of context? If not what you think?
And lastly the most important quest of all, this looks extremely confusing and unstable, and look like the CPEC is going through all areas of Punjabis/Sindhs/Pashtuns/Baluchis controlled territory, who don't like each other very much, and there is also the factor of unstable Afghanistan as well, so that seems the ground situations is pretty complicated?
Also I'm sure China has taken all of this into consideration, but how are China and Pakistan are making sure that this will succeed? To me it look like China/Pakistan has to make sure this corridor going that is going through all of their lands must have local people involved and paid off, and provide long term jobs that benefit the local people, brings long term economic benefit so that they all have a stake in its success, what are the ways that China is doing to make sure this happens? This also means once US is withdraw from Afghanistan, sooner or later the Taliban will take over, or at least take over the Pakistan side of the Afghanistan so that means China also have to pay them off too, with so many party involved and situation so complicated on the ground, what are the risk of failure? This project cannot succeed if the local relations within Pakistan is not managed well.
I'm sorry if anything that I wrote is not accurate, I didn't know anything a bout Pakistan politics before reading this book, and I really didn't want to take the book's word for it, so that's why I want to know is there any Pakistani member here wants to correct me or confirm what I wrote here, please share.
Thank you
timepass
Brigadier
CPEC Vs NSR
The United States will set up two projects against the One-One One-Road Plan, to Afghanistan and India.
The United States wants to start work on two key infrastructure projects against the Kachin's One-Belt One-Road Plan, with India, India's role in these projects will be important, this project will bring South Asian countries to the South Asian countries. The New Silk Road (NSR) will connect to Afghanistan and its neighboring countries and the Indian Navy southwestern Asian countries, joint venture will be made for the regional countries and this project will contribute to mutual cooperation. Multilateral development banks and for cooperation.
In the US Embassy Department, the US State Department Department will provide full support to the Afghan embassies and other regional countries, the power transition in Afghanistan continues to be stagnant and the Afghan people succeed and their own success According to James McGreide, US Department of Foreign Affairs Council, NSR has the ability to jointly develop joint investment plans and Central Asia as economic development and stability.
Clearly, the plan was made by former American Foreign Minister Hillary Clinton in his speech in 2011. Clinton said in Chennai: "Turkmen gas fields can help both Pakistan and India's growing energy needs and provide significant transit income to both Afghanistan and Pakistan Tajik cotton and now the Trump Administration is in the project. India wants to complete with some changes while playing extremely important role.
timepass
Brigadier
: China to build five dams costing US$ 50 billion with generating 40,000 MW of hydel power in Pakistan.
China is conducting feasibility studies on Indus River cascade to explore indigenous hydropower resources in order to meet energy needs in the country, power minister said.
The MoU signed was for around 22,320MW (Diamer-Bhasha 4,500; Patan 2,400; Thakot 4,000; Bunji 7,100; Dasu 4,320).
Power minister expressed these views during a meeting with a Chinese delegation, led by Nur Bekri, administrator of National Energy Administration (NEA) China.
PiSigma
"the engineer"
The Taliban don't care about the Chinese since they got no problems with them. In fact it was the Chinese that provided their weapons back in the 80s. There has been plenty of deals between the two parties.This post is for our Pakistani members of the forum.
I just read the book , its an excellent book that gives a broad overall view of almost every part of the world explains the local geography, politics and ethics situation on the ground.
The India and Pakistan chapter is very interesting, in the book I learned that Pakistan is actually dominated by about 4 ethics groups, Punjabis comprise 60 per cent of the population, the Sindhs 14 per cent, Pashtuns 13.5 per cent and Baluchis 4.5 per cent.
Punjabis are in control of the government as well as capital Islamabad and they are located in the north east part of Pakistan, the Pashtuns are located at West Pakistan bordering Afghanistan, then south west are Pashtuns who border rest of Afghanistan and port of Gwadar as well. Sindhs are top north west of Pakistan, the book says that all 3 groups does not really like Punjabis dominated government who seems them being treated as 2nd class citizens. (please correct if the book is wrong)
He also claims that Pashtuns who live in Pakistan are the same people of Pashtuns who controls Taliban in Afghanistan (also Pashtuns), and those people do not really care about borders, they just go back and forth all the time. He also said that Afghanistan Taliban was created by Pakistan ISI who needed a strategic retreat space in case of being attacked by India, that is why US was never able to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan, because Pakistan never give up on Taliban and always give them shelter when they fled from Afghanistan to Pakistan. The author also said that the Pashtuns and Baluchis have never really been fully under control of Pakistan government anyway, that they are in the process of fighting a slow civil war for Independence. So again, any of those are true? Taken out of context? If not what you think?
And lastly the most important quest of all, this looks extremely confusing and unstable, and look like the CPEC is going through all areas of Punjabis/Sindhs/Pashtuns/Baluchis controlled territory, who don't like each other very much, and there is also the factor of unstable Afghanistan as well, so that seems the ground situations is pretty complicated?
Also I'm sure China has taken all of this into consideration, but how are China and Pakistan are making sure that this will succeed? To me it look like China/Pakistan has to make sure this corridor going that is going through all of their lands must have local people involved and paid off, and provide long term jobs that benefit the local people, brings long term economic benefit so that they all have a stake in its success, what are the ways that China is doing to make sure this happens? This also means once US is withdraw from Afghanistan, sooner or later the Taliban will take over, or at least take over the Pakistan side of the Afghanistan so that means China also have to pay them off too, with so many party involved and situation so complicated on the ground, what are the risk of failure? This project cannot succeed if the local relations within Pakistan is not managed well.
I'm sorry if anything that I wrote is not accurate, I didn't know anything a bout Pakistan politics before reading this book, and I really didn't want to take the book's word for it, so that's why I want to know is there any Pakistani member here wants to correct me or confirm what I wrote here, please share.
Thank you
timepass
Brigadier
to install 60 LPG AirMix plants in Pakistan....
24 will be set up in . The remaining will be set up at , in and ,
second deal on natural gas with being finalised as Russia will construct 1,100 kilometer LNG pipeline from North to South too.
timepass
Brigadier
- Aerial views of - Motorway (M-9). Completed section,(75km).
Good 1 liners, but I guess you are not familiar with the situation over there.
PiSigma
"the engineer"
Why do you think that?
All Chinese investments bin Afghanistan have the blessing of the government and Taliban, so they don't need an army there.
