China's overland Silk Road and Maritime Silk Road Thread

AndrewS

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Yes, I believe India and Japan expect invites into China's big tent, and Beijing would happily offer them, because their rival scheme can't effectively compete with the better organized and supported BRI. One of the biggest problems India and Japan will face, beyond BRI being much further ahead, is the 'China standard' participating countries have accepted for their infrastructure projects. Also, India and Japan don't have a cohesive policy to offer, therefore have little choice but to join the BRI, if business efficiency is the top consideration.

China will happily accept Japan and India into OBOR, because it requires them to acknowledge Chinese leadership and influence in this project.

And yes, India and Japan can't compete in terms of organisation, financial resources or industrial capacity. So they can either join OBOR or be left out.

Looking at the ET article, it's kind of deluded

On Chabahar port.
The US quietly dissuades China from seriously investing in Iran. How are India or Japan going to be any different?

On Indian and Japanese infrastructure
Given that India can't get its own infrastructure sorted out, how do other countries expect India to contribute in terms of finance or expertise? And Japan's infrastructure is excessively high cost given the price at which Chinese companies can do the same job.

On Dawei
The Tanintharyi Region has less than 2million people and has no hinterland. So what sort of infrastructure or port is viable???

In comparison, Kyaukpyu port in Myanmar is the terminus for roads, railways and pipelines from China. And these communications lines pass right through the middle of the Myanmar.

Ditto for Gwadar port in Pakistan.
 

Blackstone

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China will happily accept Japan and India into OBOR, because it requires them to acknowledge Chinese leadership and influence in this project.

And yes, India and Japan can't compete in terms of organisation, financial resources or industrial capacity. So they can either join OBOR or be left out.

Looking at the ET article, it's kind of deluded

On Chabahar port.
The US quietly dissuades China from seriously investing in Iran. How are India or Japan going to be any different?

On Indian and Japanese infrastructure
Given that India can't get its own infrastructure sorted out, how do other countries expect India to contribute in terms of finance or expertise? And Japan's infrastructure is excessively high cost given the price at which Chinese companies can do the same job.

On Dawei
The Tanintharyi Region has less than 2million people and has no hinterland. So what sort of infrastructure or port is viable???

In comparison, Kyaukpyu port in Myanmar is the terminus for roads, railways and pipelines from China. And these communications lines pass right through the middle of the Myanmar.

Ditto for Gwadar port in Pakistan.
You highlighted classical foreign policy trade offs in nations' interests. By that I mean even if there's proof positive that inclusion in the BRI is, on balance, greatly beneficial, individual countries may still have interests different from the initiative.

It's clear Japan and India aren't ready to accept Chinese leadership, so it's up to China to decide what levels of opposition and leadership-contesting it is willing to allow or endure to bring one or both countries aboard. The Trump administration already said it is interested in aspects of the BRI, and many American businesses also want to join, so it's conceivable US will be part of the BRI, if a deal could be worked out. Once the US is aboard the BRI express, Japan will soon follow, if it hasn't jumped the gun and joined already. India would have no choice but to join at that point, or be left out of the most important economic initiative in the world. Modi may be stubborn and prideful, but he's not stupid.
 

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: M-9 likely to be opened on August 14

The National Highway Authority (NHA) is all set to complete the Karachi-Hyderabad Motorway (M-9) by August this year, almost seven months ahead of its scheduled completion date.

The project is likely to be inaugurated on August 14, well before the time in view of its unusual importance as around 80% of the trade activities in the country are going to be linked with this route.

The cost of the project is Rs44 billion and, once completed, it is likely to bring a revolution in terms of connecting the country’s vital economic centres with the upcountry by facilitating the movement of heavy commercial vehicles originating from the Karachi Port and Port Qasim.

It will also facilitate the traffic coming from Karachi Northern Bypass (KNBP) and Makran Coastal Highway (MCH), say the documents available with The Express Tribune.

Connecting the country’s two important commercial centres – Karachi and Hyderabad – the M-9 will carry around 35 thousand vehicles every day. These vehicles include 18-20 thousand heavy commercial vehicles originating from Karachi Port and Port Qasim, according to the documents.

The project was started in September 2015 under public-private partnership as the government was short of funds to finance this project. The Frontier Works Organisation (FWO) is its contractor and concessionaire.

The first 80km-long section of the motorway has already been successfully completed. It was inaugurated in February 2017. “It is one of the mega projects on which the government has not spent a single penny,” said NHA spokesperson Kashif Zaman.

He said the M-9 was being built according to the best international standards along with a 200 km-long 4-lane service road, which means 2-lanes on either side of the motorway. “This is the first motorway in Pakistan that will have four-lane service roads on either side, as usually there is fencing,” he said.

He said it will have 8 new interchanges at Malir, Dumba Goth, Lucky Cement, Power Cement, Noriabad, Thano Bulla Khan and Bolari. These interchanges will link the adjoining areas with the motorway thus facilitating the movement and boosting economic activities.

Meanwhile, in order to facilitate smooth movement of traffic and minimise risks of accidents, provision of proper diversions has been ensured during the construction.

“The rest areas will be equipped with all essential facilities such as restaurant, medical centre, mosque, fuel station, mini workshop, business centres and toilets,” he added.

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: CDWP approved to up gradation of Jaglot-Skardu Road (S-1) project, costing Rs 33.13 billion.

The project envisages up gradation of Skardu Jag lot, 164 km road aimed at providing better transportation facilities to people of this mountainous region.

Ahsan Iqbal instructed that the project should go to Ecnec immediately for final approval in order to enable speedy mobilization.

 

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timepass, you already have virtually one thread to yourself. Please dont ocuppy this one too. Thanks.


it's up to China to decide what levels of opposition and leadership-contesting it is willing to allow or endure to bring one or both countries aboard.

IMO none.


The Trump administration already said it is interested in aspects of the BRI, and many American businesses also want to join, so it's conceivable US will be part of the BRI, if a deal could be worked out. Once the US is aboard the BRI express, Japan will soon follow, if it hasn't jumped the gun and joined already. India would have no choice but to join at that point, or be left out of the most important economic initiative in the world. Modi may be stubborn and prideful, but he's not stupid.

China will allow and even desire US companies in the BRI because the US is by large the greatest destination of its exports, economic ties, etc, not to mention the US geopolitical clout.

That doesnt apply to japan and india. Besides, japan is more rival to china than even the US. IMO, china wont allow japanese companies in BRI without some political commitment from the japanese government. Same with india, but in the case of indian companies, i dont think that would even want to participate, due to political and social opposition.
 

timepass

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timepass, you already have virtually one thread to yourself. Please dont ocuppy this one too. Thanks.

What do mean....

I'm just keeping the forum updated with all CPEC related progress.... you want me not to do that...

Further, may I know which thread you are talking about virtually I occupy...
 

delft

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Somehow these pics makes me think of that classic American Country music "On the Road Again" by Willie Nelson.:D
When driving a lorry from Urumqi to Gwadar and back for a living you are unlikely to see many roads you have never seen before and won't see again.;)
 

Hendrik_2000

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What do mean....

I'm just keeping the forum updated with all CPEC related progress.... you want me not to do that...

Further, may I know which thread you are talking about virtually I occupy...

What he meant is keep your post under 1 thread Say this thread CPEC and NOT monopolizing other thread because other people posting will get buried in the avalanche of you posting some of them are irrelevant
to be honest it is very irritating to other people

The world doesn't turn only on Pakistan In fact Pakistan place in the world economy is insignificant. It is third world country
 

Shaolian

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What he meant is keep your post under 1 thread Say this thread CPEC and NOT monopolizing other thread because other people posting will get buried in the avalanche of you posting some of them are irrelevant
to be honest it is very irritating to other people

The world doesn't turn only on Pakistan In fact Pakistan place in the world economy is insignificant. It is third world country

Although I agree that posts on Pakistan's development should generally be in one thread, I do greatly appreciate Timepass' postings.

Pakistan had a very tumultous history, and finally, it's leaders and people has decided to lift themselves up for a better living. What is happening now in Pakistan can foretell the future of China's OBOR initiative, and by extension, the whole of the Asian continent.

In fact, we need more posters like Timepass, from other countries that are on the OBOR, to keep us updated, and to share their opinions. Because after all, everything that China has been doing these past 30 years, its military, economic, manufacturing and infrastructure development are for human progress.

So, here once again, I'd like to say thanks to Timepass for your postings, from someone in Malaysia who has a very direct interest in the success of OBOR.

Also, thanks to Hendrik 2000 for your detailed opinions and insights of your posts too.

Cheers guys!
 

FactsPlease

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Pakistan had a very tumultous history, and finally, it's leaders and people has decided to lift themselves up for a better living. What is happening now in Pakistan can foretell the future of China's OBOR initiative, and by extension, the whole of the Asian continent.
In fact, we need more posters like Timepass, from other countries that are on the OBOR, to keep us updated, and to share their opinions. Because after all, everything that China has been doing these past 30 years, its military, economic, manufacturing and infrastructure development are for human progress

I cannot agree on this one as many posts Timepazs put here are also on that FB CPEC fans site. He had already made everyone know that site. So those who want to follow CPEC can go there. In other words, its simply a double posting. If someone would like to address or discuss a specific item, that can be done and raised here. On the contrary, many his posts simply did not arouse much interest, so exactly why Hendrick2k described it as "avalanche". Pls do not confuse my point as against CPEC or OBOR project.
 
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