The 140 billion dollar number is because of the falling exchange rate. China's military budget is now over 1 trillion yuan. China imports very little foreign weapons compared to the size of its budget. Most of the weapons that China buys are domestically build. That means that falling exchange rate doesn't effect procurement that much. And since pensions are kept seperate from the main budget they have even more spending power.Officialy last year about 140 billions more than doubtfull with all new weapons we can see...i have see i think the true at less more reliable 215 billions about ofc so with + 7 % : 230 billions $, 202 billions Euros for me
China's Defense Spending Thread
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
This is definitely misstated and misleading the actual PRC defense spending
If you compare apple to apple than the US defense spending is grossly understated. Because it also doesn't include the veteran affair .Nor does it include the DOD and national research center who is responsible for nuclear research and fabrication.
Nor does it include NASA research center
How about supplemental budget to fund all those Iraq, Afghanistan war they too are not including in the military budget
SIPRI has the habit to whip up anti China hysteria. Why didn't they include it the US budget. China for its size is under spending their military compare to the other western nation that on average spend 2% of GDP for military purposes
Other military-related expenditures
Per-capita military spending 1962–2015 (inflation-adjusted 2011 dollars)
Military spending 1962–2015 (inflation-adjusted 2011 dollars)
This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget, such as nuclear weapons research, maintenance, cleanup, and production, which are in the Atomic Energy Defense Activities section, , the Treasury Department's payments in pensions to military retirees and widows and their families, interest on debt incurred in past wars, or State Department financing of foreign arms sales and militarily-related development assistance. Neither does it include defense spending that is not military in nature, such as the , counter-terrorism spending by the , and intelligence-gathering spending by .
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Now SIPRI anti Chinese LOL
You prove nothing at all with that we know perfectly USA spend more also in % as Japan spend less no news and i don't see why mentionned USA we look for China !
For China 2 u quote have right 2 %, about 220-230 millions $ we are ragree on the fund, GDP about 11000 millions $ but as u say impossible to be exact and nobody is perfect u also don' t need going in détails we can' t have.
SIPRI is a very reliable source especialy for sale of armaments also with China...
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Can you read! I don't see the actual link on those estimate.But if SIPRI estimate of Chinese budget include all those mention items why don't they include the same items in the estimate of US military budget?
So what is their motivation to enlarge the chinese defense budget other than whipping up hysteria?
Ok, remains dificult to know exactly and Henri K :
separately...so this R & D can be also not included in Chinese military budget as items for USA, i know at less a part is not but u have a difference of 10 - 20 % not more !
And especialy with all new ships quite sure China spend.
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There is something weird going on with the reported military budget in the media.
For years, budget increases were cited as absolute increases, year on year, in Yuan. 2015's budget was 887 billion yuan, it got increased by 7.6% and new budget for 2016 was 954 billion yuan. Everything clear there.
This year, we got that announcement of "around 7%", and today, a few days later, there's also the more exact figure
They say 1.04 trillion Yuan. (there is also a bloomberg article citing an uncredited source that exact budget is actually 1.044 trillion).
Now, it is very clear that 954 billion to 1040 trillion is not seven percent. It is nine percent. 1044 trillion would be closer to nine and a half percent.
Of course, one could say "but once the inflation effect is deducted, real increase is around seven percent." Sure, that may be. But as i noted in the beginning of this post - so far the increases were never labeled as adjusted for inflation but they were always increases in absolute terms.
In addition, this time the exact budget wasn't given like in previous years, alongside whole of federal budget. Only days later media have reported this 1.04 trillion figure.
So what gives?
For years, budget increases were cited as absolute increases, year on year, in Yuan. 2015's budget was 887 billion yuan, it got increased by 7.6% and new budget for 2016 was 954 billion yuan. Everything clear there.
This year, we got that announcement of "around 7%", and today, a few days later, there's also the more exact figure
They say 1.04 trillion Yuan. (there is also a bloomberg article citing an uncredited source that exact budget is actually 1.044 trillion).
Now, it is very clear that 954 billion to 1040 trillion is not seven percent. It is nine percent. 1044 trillion would be closer to nine and a half percent.
Of course, one could say "but once the inflation effect is deducted, real increase is around seven percent." Sure, that may be. But as i noted in the beginning of this post - so far the increases were never labeled as adjusted for inflation but they were always increases in absolute terms.
In addition, this time the exact budget wasn't given like in previous years, alongside whole of federal budget. Only days later media have reported this 1.04 trillion figure.
So what gives?
antiterror13
Brigadier
yes inflation is adjusted which is about 2.3% ... so about right 7% net
It seems to me that the growth in the defence budget over the last several years was driven by a need for large investments. I'm thinking especially of the new islands in the SCS and of the production capacity for flattops. Such investment was made in Dalian several years ago and is sufficient to produce three or four Type 001A ships per ten years. I think we agree that only one ship of this type will be built and she will soon be floated out but that capability will no doubt be used for other large naval vessels. In the mean time a huge investment has taken place in and near Shanghai to build larger flattops there and which is likely to have provided the capacity to produce three or four aircraft carriers every ten years. An additional investment will have to be made to be able to make new ships nuclear powered but for the time being those large investments have been made so the growth of the defence budget can be moderated without damaging modernization of other parts of the military.
I think we agree that only one ship of this type will be built and she will soon be floated out but that capability will no doubt be used for other large naval vessels. In the mean time a huge investment has taken place in and near Shanghai to build larger flattops there and which is likely to have provided the capacity to produce three or four aircraft carriers every ten years. An additional investment will have to be made to be able to make new ships nuclear powered but for the time being those large investments have been made so the growth of the defence budget can be moderated without damaging modernization of other parts of the military.I remember reading articles about china's defense budget, how it's given out to the public as almost just one line, with one figure. BUT, they also mention three subdivisions that are give out publicly. Salaries, running ops and training or something like that. My question is - does anyone have an article which actually states the figures for those three subdivisions? For any year really, doesn't have to be the most recent one.