China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

[Insignius]

And to prevent the things SinoSoldier posted from happening, China will embark on a rapid expansion of nuclear weapons. Unconditionally Surrendering to the US is not an option. China would rather take the world with them to hell, before this ever happens.

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"China 'needs more nuclear weapons to deal with Trump': Government mouthpiece newspaper says extra defence is required should US treat Beijing 'unacceptably'"

 

[Blackstone]

Uh, no. Even if Taiwan declares utter independence and threatens to attack the mainland, the presence of the US 7th Fleet (and others) in the regions would deter any Chinese aggression. The ChiComs know better than to start a war that would ultimately end with US + NATO troops accepting an unconditional surrender in Beijing. The chances of war decreases with more of China's neighbors becoming hostile to Beijing.

What Trump should do is to leverage the Chinese emphasis on the One-China policy and force Beijing to stop (1) illegal dumping of steel & other export product, (2) manipulating their currency, (3) demanding import tariffs on US trade to China.

Good luck with head in sand.

 

[SinoSoldier]

people like you just don't get it.

And you do? Please enlighten us.

 

[Blackstone]

@SinoSoldier- no need. We're done on this topic.

 

[SinoSoldier]

And to prevent the things SinoSoldier posted from happening, China will embark on a rapid expansion of nuclear weapons. Unconditionally Surrendering to the US is not an option. China would rather take the world with them to hell, before this ever happens.

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"China 'needs more nuclear weapons to deal with Trump': Government mouthpiece newspaper says extra defence is required should US treat Beijing 'unacceptably'"

See, this is exactly why nuclear deterrence is such a difficult concept to grasp. The entire purpose of having a nuclear arsenal (a limited second strike option, as the Chinese put it) is to prevent it from being used in the first place (take a minute to digest that paradox). It is the fear of being retaliated against that prevents a potential foe from launching his missiles, not a second strike itself. For the Chinese to unilaterally launch a nuclear strike to prevent the conclusion of a conventional war counters every purpose around which a nuclear force is centered.

And again, none of the above matters anyways because the Chinese know better than to start a war with the United States. Yes, ROC + US have a mutual defense pact.

 

[Blackstone]

Mao's nuclear deterrence strategy based on small number of nuclear weapons has worked quite well, and as long as the strategy continues to work equally well, I really don't see good reasons to change it. Publicly available information say PRC has about 400-ish nukes, and the question isn't if that number is sufficient, they have been sufficient up to now, the key is if the Chinese military can effectively deliver any or all of them anytime, anywhere, with extremely high probability of mission success.

On the other hand, if the PRC substantially increase the number of nukes in the future, it's likely because they lost some confidence in 'anytime, anywhere' weapon delivery and need more individual nukes and better delivery systems to assure mission success.

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[Skywatcher]

Yes, ROC + US have a mutual defense pact.

Ummm, no we don't?!

 

[Skywatcher]

Ready for it?

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Sounds like he just put Taipei up for sale (as if Trump would listen to the TRA anyways).

 

[Insignius]

The very reason why ANY country in the world even dares to defy China's core interests in such way is because they dont feel deterred by China's small nuclear force. A Sino-US war is exactly possible, because the US sees absolutely no danger from China's nuclear weapons, and hence they see it as a good idea to park two carrier-groups in the Taiwan strait - because the moment China attempts to sink them with conventional weapons, the US will end China as a whole with their nuclear superiority.

This perception will change, if China has sufficient nuclear weapons to completely wipe out the USA in a nuclear exchange. Only with MAD, the US will realize that it is not clever to play the Taiwan card in such way, or even insist on a mutual defense treaty with them. For which president would exchange its own nuclear holocaust with Taiwan's independence?

Good to see that there are voices in China who are pressuring Beijing to finally end this minimum deterrence farce once and for all. Congratulations to the US, by the way, for they are the one's who actually forced China's hands.

 

[Blitzo]

Uh, no. Even if Taiwan declares utter independence and threatens to attack the mainland, the presence of the US 7th Fleet (and others) in the regions would deter any Chinese aggression. The ChiComs know better than to start a war that would ultimately end with US + NATO troops accepting an unconditional surrender in Beijing. The chances of war decreases with more of China's neighbors becoming hostile to Beijing.

What Trump should do is to leverage the Chinese emphasis on the One-China policy and force Beijing to stop (1) illegal dumping of steel & other export product, (2) manipulating their currency, (3) demanding import tariffs on US trade to China.

I am absolutely stunned by your occasional reversals in personality.

It's like every few months you become a Blackstone-lite for a couple of posts and start throwing around terms like Chicoms and believing the spiel about currency manipulation, and then you turn back into a constructive contributing member on actual Chinese military developments.

It's absolutely bizarre.