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Jeff Head

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This article seems to suggest China helped Saudi Arabia get nukes to go along with DF-21s they bought secretly okayed by the US.

Ten years from now we'll probably here this story again minus the part it was okayed by the US.
Well, if I were the Saudis, and the US was making a "deal," with the Iranians that appeared to be a wink and a nod regarding some kind of deal about Iran getting, in essence, an okay to develop nukes as long as they play nice...if I was the Saudis, then yes, you bet, I would make sure that my DF-21s or whatever had a nuclear capability and that the Iranians knew it, irrespective of what anyone else thought.

My guess is, that from the Israeli perspective, given the emnity, that that is not going to be enough.

The Iranians knowing that the Saudis have nukes and would respond in kind may deter the Iranians where the Saudis are concerend...but I do not believe that the Israelis think for a moment that it would deter the Iranians where they (the Israelis) are concerned, and that is the huge miscalculation that the Obama administration is making if indeed this is what this "deal" is about with the Iranians.

A very dangerous game is what it is IMHO.
 
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chuck731

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Exactly how do you certify a missile can't be modified to carry a nuclear warhead? Seems to me the most you can theoretically do is certify the missile is not currently configured to accept a known nuclear warhead in under 5 minutes. Does the CIA even know enough about all existing nuclear warheads to certify none of them can be swapped with the missile's conventional warshead in under 5 minutes?
 

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April 1, 2014 4:03 AM

BEIJING (AP) — Inspectors have uncovered widespread irregularities and suspected corruption among military units based around Beijing, China's Defense Ministry said Tuesday, a sign that a widening anti-graft campaign that is turning to the sprawling 2.3 million-member People's Liberation Army.

The ministry said in a statement that the inspections in the Beijing and Jinan Military Regions were carried out directly under the authority of the Central Military Commission, headed by president and ruling Communist Party leader Xi Jinping.

It said multiple leads were obtained concerning problems with the handling of promotions, discipline among officers, land transfers, the construction and allocation of buildings and military medical services.

The ministry said those cases would be further investigated and publicized "for their deterrent effect," raising the likelihood that offenders would be brought before military courts.

The announcement said the inspections were carried out between Dec. 10 and March 13, with the initial results presented at a meeting last Thursday.

The PLA has long been dogged by a culture of bribery, corruption and power abuse. Promotions and plum assignments are sometimes secured by providing payments or favors to higher ranking officers and military assets, especially land, used for private economic benefit.

Officers enjoy official vehicles, housing and generous benefits in return for pledging their loyal to the ruling party, rather than to the Chinese state.

The son of a leading Chinese general, Xi is seen as commanding greater authority with the armed forces than either of his two predecessors, although he risks losing some of that support if he comes down too hard on military privileges.

On Monday, the military said it was charging Lt. Gen. Gu Junshan with embezzlement, bribery, misuse of state funds and abuse of power. Gu had been deputy head of the People's Liberation Army's General Logistics Department, a position offering him powers over procurement and contracts with which to allegedly amass a vast fortune.

No word has been given on when and where Gu would be tried, and legal expert Yu Xiao, writing in the military's official newspaper PLA Daily, said proceedings may be held in secret since they could involve military secrets.

"The investigation and Gu's trial is important and will have an active and far-reaching impact on cracking down on graft in the PLA," Yu wrote.
 

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Most of the corruption seems to be in places related to PLA procurement (of apparently of services, commodities, construction, since the amount of money put in PLA R&D and equipment, IIRC seems to be generating pretty decent outcomes), for obvious reasons.

I wonder if that means the combat arms are less corrupt, or such corruption isn't as high profile/or covered up better?
 
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For a military like the PLA which sees so little and such infrequent actual combat, and with a strategy with actual combat as a very late resort, it would be catastrophic if corruption compromises procurement in any way. By the time flaws are discovered in combat it is too late.

This is on top of the standard major complications corruption causes in any military. Breach of trust, lack of reliability, hidden ulterior agendas, cronyism, all extremely negative for morale, cohesion, and combat effectiveness.
 
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Preux

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Hopefully, someday China's military will be loyal to the nation, and not to some party warlords.

To the contrary, the PLA's loyalty to the CCP is a source of great stability in China. As long as the CCP remains stable, and it is a robust organisation designed to maintain unity of command, the PLA ensures that rival centres of power cannot form. Even at the height of Mao's struggle with the Moscow faction or the Cultural Revolution the PLA and its predecessors remained loyal to a singular command, and we are talking about serious breaches like purge of Peng or the rebellion of Lin.

The thing about being loyal to the 'nation' is that people have very different idea what it actually means.
 
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