china: world leader of stealthy ships?

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IDonT

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well personally i beilive the weak points in the stealth of chinese vessels are primarily their large radar and sensor masts and the anti ship missle launchers. but taking them away would reduce the ships abilities. a vls system would be the solution, and it may be on 52d.

so the ships will have reduced signature, making the opponent beilive them as patrol vessels rather than full ddgs.
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The USN already does that with the Burke Destroyers. Its radar signiture is very small for a 9,000 ton vessel.
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I think that the next Chinese destroyer class ( 052D or 051D ) will look much like the Arleigh Burke, with the hull slightly stealthier. Although its performance is predicted to only be 50% the capability of the AEGIS AN/SPY-1D( Chinese sources acknowledged that the radar on 051C is not as powerful as even earlier version AN/SPY-1A ), it would be more than enough to deal with regional navies.

I predict next Chinese DDG class to begin construction in the 2007-2010 period.
 
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Su-34 said:
I think that the next Chinese destroyer class ( 052D or 051D ) will look much like the Arleigh Burke, with the hull slightly stealthier. Although its performance is predicted to only be 50% the capability of the AEGIS AN/SPY-1D( Chinese sources acknowledged that the radar on 051C is not as powerful as even earlier version AN/SPY-1A ), it would be more than enough to deal with regional navies.

I predict next Chinese DDG class to begin construction in the 2007-2010 period.
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I don't think China's radar will be that weak. I don't know which source you got it from. If anything, the likelihood that it is APAR gives it certain advantages over AN/SPY-1. What 052 series lacks is the lack of maturity in combat systems. It will take China years to develop its combat system to the level of latest Aegis.
 
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MIGleader

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the burke is actually not an amazing piece of stealth. its primarily its elctronic jammers that reduce its signature, not hull design. also, china does not need to wait for 52d to have reduced signatures. 167 already has a burke size sugnature(probably a bit smaller coz 167 is smaller than the burke.
 
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MIGleader said:
the burke is actually not an amazing piece of stealth. its primarily its elctronic jammers that reduce its signature, not hull design. also, china does not need to wait for 52d to have reduced signatures. 167 already has a burke size sugnature(probably a bit smaller coz 167 is smaller than the burke.
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Look at it, its stealthy.
No perfect cylinders, its mast is set back at an angle, no 90 degree lines, heck even the railings were designed for low observability.
 
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well china's 52c and america's arleigh burke are probably pretty close in terms of stealth but how does china's stealth compare with south korea, japan, taiwan, malaysia, or the phillipines
 
MIGleader

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IDonT said:
Look at it, its stealthy.
No perfect cylinders, its mast is set back at an angle, no 90 degree lines, heck even the railings were designed for low observability.
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yeah, i saw a program on it. the big mast is probably the only major givaway. its set back at an angle to reduce the rcs, but its still a weak spot. the gun is another weak sopt. but i did not say it was not stealthy, just not one the cutting edge of stealth.

the 52c is probably the same stealthyness as the kdx-IIs and IIIS, and a bit above the kongos. its definitly more stealthy than kidds.
 
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MIGleader said:
the 52c is probably the same stealthyness as the kdx-IIs and IIIS, and a bit above the kongos. its definitly more stealthy than kidds.
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It's hard to prove this statement. There's alot more to stealth than hull form design.
 
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i factored in more than that. first off, the kidds have no stealth shaping or rcs reduction whatsoever, immeditely being knocked out of the contest. the kongo matches the burke, and we already decied on that. ive seen the kd-x's, and they are claimed to have heat reduction funnels and many rcs reduction features. noise for all these ships shoudl be soemwhere around the same, and the kdx and kongo would probably have the most advanced jammers(i dont know what the 52c has).
 
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