china: world leader of stealthy ships?

MIGleader

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with all these new, advanced, stealthy warships rolling out of chinese shipyards, can one possibly iagine that chinas is THE leadign nation in building such ships?

lets think about it:
the new warships are large, blue water navy ships. almost no other nation has feilded large, stealthy ddgs.

scandinavian navies have commsioned a seiries of very stealthy vessels, but they are very small, only valuable for coastal patrol.

both britain, france, germany, spain, and italy all posses stealth technology, but have not built a ddg size stealthy vessel yet. the lafeyette is stealthier than all chinese warships, but is only an ffg, unable to perfrom many of the tasks a 52c can in deep ocean. we wont see a truly advanced stealthy ddg from these nations until the british type 45 rolls out.

russian stelath is light years behind. the talwar is signaling progress, but its large amount of exposed sensors make it anything but stealthy.

the american arleigh burke is on of the few competitors, out performing all chinese warships in combat. but bases on its size and apperance, it has a very large rcs, with only modest rcs reduction feature implemented. most notably, its giant steel mast behind the bridge is very keen to expose the ship to enemy radar. most of the vessels stealth comes from electronic jamming, not stealth shaping or ram.

other nations, like malasia and saudi arabia have began building stealthy vessels, but they are once agian, only coastal defence ships. they cannot fufil the same mission requirements as a ddg can.

the closest competitor to china would probably be south koreas ddx seiries, with advnaced weapons sensors, and a great many rcs and irs reduction features. but these ships are not south korean built, and therefor dont count.

this leaves china on top. with the introduction of stealthy warships since 1999, its also introcuced a line of sealthy facs, as well as stealthy naval weaponry that can be fitted to any unstealthy vessel.

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jingnan, hudong, and dalian, keep em comming!!:china:
 

Gollevainen

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Sorry to break the bupple but those chinese new warships are not so "sthealt" afterall...it have been discussed several times in here and other places. They got the same default as the russian build Tawlars..the sthealthy features aplyes only to the hull, leaving everything ontop of it exposed to radar wawes. THey have reduced radar gross sections, but not as near as the French Lafayette or the new Horizon class in building.
 

MIGleader

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you miss the point. these ships are not always the stalthiest, but always have superior performance to any ship stealthier than them. they alsways have superior stealth to any ship that has greater performance. china is also churning out these ships at a speed no other nation matches exept america.

i think the 'defect" only affected 52b to a degree. the following ships are very stealthy, although not at lafeyette level.

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looks like a very clean surface to me.
 

Gollevainen

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well migth be leading in building pace of the reduced radar gross section featured ships, but this is mainly due the current speed of chinese naval buildup....but then again Aleigh Burkes have some reducing in radar singatures as well, so...
But in stealth techonlogy, France is the number one. Lafayettes serving in Singapore and Saudi Arabia are superior to any chinese ship, whit their reach in general and due their stealth features. And to this you have to include the building up of forbin(horizon) class DDGs and planned FREM program of FFGs to france navy, there is no question who has the lead
 

jatt

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Stealth inculdes RCS reduction. The clutter from the nice equipment is enough for a fighter to pick up. Doesn't make a real big difference. But I would make noise reduction and heat infared reduction a prority. You never know what sub is hunting you. And those old generation AShM can be annyoing expecially when launched in large numbers. Soft kills are very effective. Ask the British.
 

renmin

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Hey well what about the American DD(X)? That has great steatlh capabilities and is well armed too with rail guns and cruise missles. dont forget the barrels of guns, they are round which increase RCS. The DDX has a triangle shaped barrel, which is why it is a rail gun
 

MIGleader

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you all miss my point. the lafayette cannot perform the same deep water missions as a 52c because the laffeyate is a ffg. heavy armament was also sacrificed on the lafayette to increase stealth.

horizon, FREM, and ddx all do not exist yet. they are still being built. china has already BUILT and COMMISIONED its warships.

the new 52s and 54s all have heat reduction features on their funnels. such funnels were already installed on the jinghu III's. the engines are very quiet, seeing how they are they are french or ukrainian, and the most advnaced in europe.
 

Roger604

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renmin said:
Hey well what about the American DD(X)? That has great steatlh capabilities and is well armed too with rail guns and cruise missles. dont forget the barrels of guns, they are round which increase RCS. The DDX has a triangle shaped barrel, which is why it is a rail gun

From my understanding, the rail gun part is a planned future improvement after the first batch of DD(X)'s are commissioned. It is less feasible a technology at this point than the rest of the DD(X)'s design.
 

rommel

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Well, I don't think that China is the leader in the stealth technology, I agree with Gollevainen when he said the "leading" in this domain by China is because of the speed of building of the Chinese Naval industry. For exemple, you said that 52C is more stealth than the Arleigh Burke, but don't forget that the Arleigh Burke was designed at least one decade ago. Same thing goes with the La Fayette FFG, it's true that the La Fayette class don't have the same combat ability like the LATEST chinese warship (52C), but it can still outclass most chinese DDG, it can beat the 52 (Luhu) or a 51B which is a DDG.
 
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bd popeye

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Roger604 said:
From my understanding, the rail gun part is a planned future improvement after the first batch of DD(X)'s are commissioned. It is less feasible a technology at this point than the rest of the DD(X)'s design.

Roger is correct. The rail gun is well off into the future. The USN DD(X) program has been scaled well back. Probaly only 12-14 ships will be built.

As for stealth. The PLAN ships sure do look stealthy. Appearance is only one part of stealth. But in reality are they? One thing that would help them would be developing superior ECM that changes it's appearance on radar. Perhaps they already have such ECM. Anyone know?
 
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