China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

Wangxi said:

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China must completely review its communication and its softpower in the West, fire the old executives who manage communication, and hire young people who have studied in the West and know the Western mentality, China can do better in terms of softpower

Tom Fowdi is China's biggest advocate on twitter, yet he keeps pointing China softpower problem and communication issues


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It seems Fowdy has good intentions but it doesn't mean that he's necessarily correct. I'm not against the CCP using more aggressive mouthpieces to shout down Western accusations with counter-accusations but at the same time, I'm not really sure that it will work either. First of all, it's mostly the US, and US media is already launching war against its own government so I don't know if an extra Chinese voice would help or serve to simply unite the warring parties. As for other countries, while some people may listen to a more verbally aggressive China, others might find it annoying, threatening, and choose to further side with their own media.

Pmichael said:

A pig in a dress will stay a pig.

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That's off topic, man. This is the China Geopolitics thread, not the "Complain about your own spouse" thread.

Pmichael said:

A pig in a dress will stay a pig.

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I don't know why you keep littering this forum with your messages. Your likes to post ratio is abysmal, which means no one values your political or technical opinions. You bring absolutely nothing worthwhile and you're just part of the noise that's dragging the quality of this place down.

gadgetcool5 said:

None of that helps if China's foreign policy gets its products banned from world markets. I fully support China's industrial policy. But they think 1 km sq. meters of land in Galwan valley is more important than a market of 1.4 billion Indians. They think the need to arrest some worthless agitators in HK is more important than stable trade with the world's largest economy & most advanced nation and its allies. No company in its right mind would want to be tied to such a suicidal government, it doesn't matter how many subsidies it gets. And no, the Chinese market (which will only shrink and get smaller in the future, as China's population will plunge in coming decades) is not more important than the world market. 80% of the world is outside China.

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All those policy is not going to change Chinese trajectory in economic fortune People trade with China because China provide reasonably good product for reasonably price That is the basic tenet of economy. Politic consideration will not in the long run affect the trade between nations

China has been successfully penetrate the world market because of productivity and good quality of her product period. All those critic by msm is not going to change one bit . There will be short run of set back due to government interference but it wont last. Ironically it was the western mantra that said government should not get involve in economic But due to their inability to stem the rise of China they resort to all kind trickery and chicanery to hobble and stop Chinese economy progress Remember Adam smith principle " The invincible hand of capitalism is the best policy" Apropos all those critic of Chinese economy now concede that China did the right thing and the west should copy chinese policy
Chinese economy grew from 250 billion in 1980 to 14 trillion in 2019. This chart tell it all in one picture



Washington need not mindlessly copy Beijing’s more coercive model but, rather, could well achieve similar outcomes via state-led purchases and subsidies. The US Defense Department could play a key role here,

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The key takeaway raised by Atkinson’s excellent study, however, is that the status quo is untenable. America’s market fundamentalist model is under enormous stress and failing to produce anything close to a socially sustainable economy.

The US has not turned into an industrial shell overnight; it is the product of decades of malign neglect. Hence it will take many years before the current deficiencies are fixed. As the philosopher Lao Tzu

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, “The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.” Absent these initial steps, national redevelopment will remain a pipe dream.

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gadgetcool5 said:

Not true, there is plenty China could do

- Not pass the HK "security" law
- Not lock up Uighurs in camps/whatever you want to call them
- Settle the border dispute with India
- Settle the SCS dispute with Vietnam/Philippines

People were willing to welcome China taking charge, until now... that's what you nationalists refuse to see. You keep saying that if China did the above things, the world will only demand more of China, when in reality it would have helped China's image greatly.

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Ya it could. But Its not going to do it because it doesn't feel to do so.
So what is U.S going to do about it? Passing another huhu right bill to show how much "very very concerned" & spending sleepless night? Or US is going to whine in the side of the road like pretty much what's happening now,nobody is giving attention to the little leader?
You know ,sleep shortage can lead to hair fall problem. we too are very very concerned about well being U.Sians . Because US is little wannabe global leader, alien defeater.

As long USA can just move two carrier around China freely as long is China forced to act from a defensive and reactionary position. China right now is in process of overestimating its geopolitical reach and power.

This is not a communication problem but the inherently flaw of an one almighty party ideology.

Pmichael said:

As long USA can just move two carrier around China freely as long is China forced to act from a defensive and reactionary position. China right now is in process of overestimating its geopolitical reach and power.

This is not a communication problem but the inherently flaw of an one almighty party ideology.

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The overreach is American as it does nothing but sail in circles while it watches China actually enlarge, develop and militarize islands. Chinese substance vs. American desperation show. The inherent flaw is that the US wants to project an image that it has control over the world while it's ravaged by disease and civil unrest at home and losing its objectives in the West to Russia and in the East to China.

Pmichael said:

As long USA can just move two carrier around China freely as long is China forced to act from a defensive and reactionary position. China right now is in process of overestimating its geopolitical reach and power.

This is not a communication problem but the inherently flaw of an one almighty party ideology.

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Classic cornered troll behaviour. No response to any criticisms addressed to you, just blurt out a random word salad and litter the forum with it. Zero meaning, zero contribution. Unsurprising from someone with zero to contribute. How about you try answering a question for once: what does sailing two DF-21D targets around China accomplish?

CBGs unfortunately can be upgraded with equipment to eventually counter AShBM and HGVs. The struggle is ongoing but more work for the US warmongers is good. It'll keep them busy. Russia has the nuclear powered and nuclear tipped torpedoes. Certainly a worthy idea to have as backups in case nuclear is the better option. Will the US risk all out nuclear annihilation after their CBGs are attacked? Doubt. Probably put their propaganda machine to use and write their entire losses off as super effective Chinese AShMs lol. These fat cats aren't going to risk their necks in a nuclear war. They will not shoot at China unless they are totally confident they enjoy convincing and indisputable advantage.

The geopol strategy has always been adapting. China's propaganda efforts abroad are shit. Big surprise. They don't spend much effort or money here. The western world is literally built on propaganda. It's in every facet of life from how they exaggerate and market their "talents" to how they think about toilet paper. Chinese like most east asian cultures are extremely pragmatic and brutally honest. Machiavellian moves are left for the business and political arenas but when it comes to down to earth, day to day matters, propaganda is regarded as fooling yourself. Sorry this isn't 20th century Communism/Socialism/Revolutionary movements anymore. The geopol strategy is working in every field EXCEPT this noisy self-deluding bickering the west is engaged in. The only danger is it is beginning to do a lot more harm to China and Chinese these days. Perhaps this thread should be discussing shifts in adapting to these particular threats instead of some sort of grand realignment of CCP thinking.

Tom Fowdy is looking at all this from western perspectives and thinking. It makes sense and he's absolutely right. However the focus was never on these matters, at least in the past because they were rather benign. Western and Anglo/Zio elites are just beginning to weaponise the narrative they've built for the last 50 years. Slowly upping the ante every time China progresses. Can't fight where they are strong so engaging it now is going to be useless. Better off looking like a victim of their propaganda if anything and focus force where they are weaker.

This development may seem insignificant, but keep in mind that oil is traded in dollars. If OPEC decides to switch to another currency in the future, that can effectively end the dollar's reserve currency status overnight. There are long term implications of every move on the board here:

Saudi Arabia will host a summit between Arab nations and Beijing.
By: Geopolitical Futures

Arab governments look east. Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan has confirmed that his country will host a summit between Arab nations and China to explore strategic partnership opportunities in a number of areas. of late. On Monday, the China-Arab States Cooperation Forum held a ministerial meeting during which future cooperation and responses to the coronavirus pandemic were discussed, and over the course of the COVID-19 outbreak, China has supplied eight Arab countries with medical equipment, medical personnel and researchers. Saudi Arabia and China also signed a $265 million deal to expand the kingdom’s COVID-19 testing capacity. But with the U.S. presence in the region waning, an oil price crisis emerging and a global recession looming, Arab countries are looking to China for more help on more than just the COVID-19 crisis; they hope to cooperate with Beijing on security matters as well as the Belt and Road Initiative to help diversify their economies.