China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

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solarz

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zgx09t said:
If your opinion is along the line of having a bunch of CNN's and Fox News and the likes equals to a strong media and information Network, then by all means you can entertain that thought, or even outright believe in it. Just take a look around to see what's the use of it in this age of social division, partisan divide and racial hatred.
Power is multi dimensional and not linear. Fake soft power based on BS can easily be shattered. Examples abound.
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Too many keyboard warriors base their worldview on what they read on the internet. They spend too much time in echo chamber social media and forget to think for themselves.

If the American media is so great, why did it directly and indirectly lead to the death of 100000 Americans to covid 19? Directly by disseminating false information such as downplaying the threat, arguing that democracy alone will stop the virus, and telling people masks would not protect them. Indirectly by leading to the election of Trump and thereby all the disastrous decisions he made.

Only fools envy the glamor of a rotten aristocracy.
 
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Definitely China needs to stenghten more partnerships. It just seems like it is very hard for china to do so and it seems other countries are not playing ball. Eg. There's an inter parlimentary alliance against China and EU parliment wants to sue China at the UN ICJ for HK, which is a Chinese city but no one in the EU is drafting any punishment towards the US for sanctioning the ICC or India for annexing Kashmir?

This is the biased world that China has to navigate to get more partners and alliances? That's very difficult.

It would be easy to say that if China resolved the territorial conflicts that life would be easier but as one mentioned before, giving in to others demands may allow those to make additional demands later on. And if it's not territorial disputes, there will be other criticism at China from other countries. I think China is taking a quiet but firm response. However the US and other western countries are taking advantage of that.

I do agree that for the next little while, China should not be aggressively pushing her claim in the SCS, de-escalation the India border situation as soon as possible. Stay the course on HK and be extra nice to EU and south east Asia countries right now. But that's easier said than done. Vietnam and japan always has a negative view of China. I wouldn't call them neutral. India has always seen China in negative light since China out paced them. Since there are so many variables , the only thing that can be controlled is increasing china's domestic strength for now.
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hi Canuck

May I suggest a different strategy, China should support and encourage business opportunity for other countries oligarch family elite, here in the PHILIPPINE, even though the majority of the economy is owned by FILIPINO CHINESE , their loyalty is dictated by money and influence.

The US which colonized us for 50 years, had been able to win over the majority of the people by this strategy, PATRONAGE POLITICS, select a family ex THE CONJUANGCO FAMILY (CORAZON AQUINO and her son NOYNOY AQUINO is part of these family) give them large portion of land and enter politics, buy media outlet like ABS-CBN which is a monopoly in these way that they can control the NARATIVE.

Most of us FILIPINO CHINESE are subjected to discrimination since ancient time, we are the perfect scapegoat of our colonizer (spanish, japanese and the US) and also a willing partner for them.
 
Mohsin77

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zgx09t said:
Talking about control, it would have carried more weight and appeared more credible had your proud civilization stopped hacking each other to pieces in sectarian violence. It still stands: a mouse can't roar. So stop lecturing.
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If you think this is "lecturing" you have no idea what a lecture from me looks like. This is merely a friendly discussion with other (more mature) members here.

For people of my own civilization, which indeed have been "hacking" each other for the past few centuries, my words are much harsher than anything I have said here regarding China, precisely because our mistakes and problems are MUCH greater. Even on this forum (which is not focused on such topics) I outrightly scold other members of my civilization (in public and via PM) whenever I see them hyping themselves up too much, to bring them back down to reality. This thread; however, has nothing to do with that.
 
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solarz said:
Too many keyboard warriors base their worldview on what they read on the internet. They spend too much time in echo chamber social media and forget to think for themselves.

If the American media is so great, why did it directly and indirectly lead to the death of 100000 Americans to covid 19? Directly by disseminating false information such as downplaying the threat, arguing that democracy alone will stop the virus, and telling people masks would not protect them. Indirectly by leading to the election of Trump and thereby all the disastrous decisions he made.

Only fools envy the glamor of a rotten aristocracy.
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Of course the path is NOT for China to build their own FOX/CNN. That would be insane. I've said from the beginning on this thread that following the West is ill-advised.

Also, I'm not sure why so many people are using this "soft power" terminology. That is a loaded colonialist term. As far as I can see, no one here is proposing that China become another colonialist power, so this term should simply be dropped from discourse.

The question that was being discussed is US/Western psy ops against China. This is the problem. And like I've said multiple times, it is not easy to counter propaganda. In fact, it is exceptionally difficult because it requires the simplification of much complexity, in order to get your own people to understand your reasoning. As for how China goes about doing it, that is up to the CCP to decide. (Creating your own CNN/FOX would be the exact opposite of a solution, because that just further divides people.)
 
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The problem with Xi Jinping is that he's not decisive. He is a leader that hedges small bets everywhere but doesn't commit. Why else did he allow his daughter to go to Harvard, an United States government influenced institution? Because he doesn't want to commit to fighting and would rather try being friends with everyone. His careful strategy works well in stewarding the economy, but doesn't work well when faced with hostile countries with global ambitions.

The strategy China needs to adopt for it's own safety is one which focuses on tackling the major single issues with full force. This means signficantly lightening the amount of pressure given to random countries like India, and the start of a very punitive economic campaign against all of USA, roping in every person and company in China to participate in holding them down until their behavior changes.

Xi Jinping based on his previous behavior is possibly an opponent of that, but he might be converted given enough evidence. The beauty of democratic centralism is that a politician can change ideas without losing face to their rivals
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Exactly, Xi need to commit. That is what china is lacking. China IR skills is still low but they are learning...
 
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My opinion may seem controversial, but I am worried that China is making enemies everywhere.

I think China must stop the claims (9 dash lines) in the South China Sea (for the moment), because it endangers the relations with the ASEAN countries

Same for the Senkaku/Diaoyutai Islands with Japan, we must stop poisoning our international relations for such things.

In the past we could do this because we were less on the radar of the USA (who was focused on russia and the middle east)
, but today we have to focus only on the USA, everything else is superficial, and we need allies, or even just some countries remain neutral (like ASEAN countries) but because of the conflict in the South China Sea, even Vietnam (communist!) has a bad image of us, Duterte wanted to expulse the American bases and get closer to China, but he made a volt face because of the conflict in the south china sea, we lose geopolitically
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I am also disappointed about the conflict with India, it opens the door to the USA to make a great anti-Chinese alliance throughout Asia (
anti-Chinese hatred in India has increased sharply).

This does not mean that we should give up our demands, but we must lower our tone, we must realize that to win the "cold war" against the USA, we need allies, nobody can win an open conflict on several fronts, and unfortunately today China has diplomatic problems on several fronts, from Japan to India, Australia, Great Britain, the USA ect ...

That's why Tsai Ing Wen has gained a lot of confidence lately, she sees anti-Chinese sentiment rising everywhere.

Time is playing in China's favor, we must be calm for the time being, we cannot win a cold war against the USA at the moment, this is stupid, especially as time is playing against the USA and playing in our favor, we need patience.

I also think as free_6ix9ine that China doesn't have a powerful soft power, China has to invest billions and billions in its soft power to target the entire world, because the united states has the power to influence the whole world through its media and it's culture (Hollywood ect)

(Sorry for my english)
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All that because China has not a coherent external policy like I have already said. Every time CHina find itself reacting...

PRC need to learn what leadership is, instead of try to project itself as a "good guy"...
 
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Wangxi said:
My opinion may seem controversial, but I am worried that China is making enemies everywhere.

I think China must stop the claims (9 dash lines) in the South China Sea (for the moment), because it endangers the relations with the ASEAN countries

Same for the Senkaku/Diaoyutai Islands with Japan, we must stop poisoning our international relations for such things.

In the past we could do this because we were less on the radar of the USA (who was focused on russia and the middle east)
, but today we have to focus only on the USA, everything else is superficial, and we need allies, or even just some countries remain neutral (like ASEAN countries) but because of the conflict in the South China Sea, even Vietnam (communist!) has a bad image of us, Duterte wanted to expulse the American bases and get closer to China, but he made a volt face because of the conflict in the south china sea, we lose geopolitically
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I am also disappointed about the conflict with India, it opens the door to the USA to make a great anti-Chinese alliance throughout Asia (
anti-Chinese hatred in India has increased sharply).

This does not mean that we should give up our demands, but we must lower our tone, we must realize that to win the "cold war" against the USA, we need allies, nobody can win an open conflict on several fronts, and unfortunately today China has diplomatic problems on several fronts, from Japan to India, Australia, Great Britain, the USA ect ...

That's why Tsai Ing Wen has gained a lot of confidence lately, she sees anti-Chinese sentiment rising everywhere.

Time is playing in China's favor, we must be calm for the time being, we cannot win a cold war against the USA at the moment, this is stupid, especially as time is playing against the USA and playing in our favor, we need patience.

I also think as free_6ix9ine that China doesn't have a powerful soft power, China has to invest billions and billions in its soft power to target the entire world, because the united states has the power to influence the whole world through its media and it's culture (Hollywood ect)

(Sorry for my english)
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Agreed. That has always been China's problem. Too worried about its own domestic situation, never prioritizes the global situation. Geopolitics is basically like a popularity contest, whoever has the most friends wins. Making a country into your ally is way more important than winning a few hundred square miles of territory.
 
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gadgetcool5 said:
Agreed. That has always been China's problem. Too worried about its own domestic situation, never prioritizes the global situation. Geopolitics is basically like a popularity contest, whoever has the most friends wins. Making a country into your ally is way more important than winning a few hundred square miles of territory.
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China so determined to always be angry at everyone over so many trivial issues...
 
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escobar said:
All that because China has not a coherent external policy like I have already said. Every time CHina find itself reacting...

PRC need to learn what leadership is, instead of try to project itself as a "good guy"...
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So you wrote something like this before and I responded below and got no response from you:

China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

For now china international policy is based on vague desir... Until or unless PRC develops a coherent view about international strategy that addresses wide spectrum of policy (economy, cooperation, balance of power, etc) we will continu to get what we have got...
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China so determined to always be angry at everyone over so many trivial issues...
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I don't know how it gets less trivial than territory. Whatever the matter is, it takes 2 to tango, so maybe you should ask why so many other countries are "angry" instead, but guarding your interests and your territory is not called being angry in my book or being happy would be defined as giving away your territory.

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Making a country into your ally is way more important than winning a few hundred square miles of territory.
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Terribly untrue. Territory is yours forever; alliances change with interests and leadership. Give away territory and with the next president, that country could still turn on you, except you can't take back what you gave. The way you do things, China needs to keep giving to maintain a good relationship. The way China does things, it simply needs to ease off of taking in order to get a good relationship. That's why the CCP approach is so much better and keeps China growing.
 
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