China Flanker Thread III (land based, exclude J-15)

[by78]

Fox two (from a J-11B).

 

[Deino]

Finally an operational J-16D with unfortunately its serial numbers not readable. But due to the "old-style" nozzle feathers of the original WS-10B it must be from Batch 01 since Batch 02 uses the newer WS-10B Series 3 with the longer nozzle feathers

(Image via @军I名 from Weibo)

 

[kriss]

So the PLAAF does their regular training and the ROCAF turtle up at home is the real normal these days.

This reminds me, does PLAAF and PLAN still routinely send aircraft and ships that close nowadays like last August?

 

[plawolf]

This reminds me, does PLAAF and PLAN still routinely send aircraft and ships that close nowadays like last August?

Yes, the median line no longer exists as far as the PLA is concerned. Taiwan just stopped reporting all the ‘intrusions’ as it was crippling moral and directly led to the election defeats the DPP suffered.

 

[nelBi]

Yes, the median line no longer exists as far as the PLA is concerned. Taiwan just stopped reporting all the ‘intrusions’ as it was crippling moral and directly led to the election defeats the DPP suffered.

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They report intrusions every day.

 

[yungho]

Yes, the median line no longer exists as far as the PLA is concerned. Taiwan just stopped reporting all the ‘intrusions’ as it was crippling moral and directly led to the election defeats the DPP suffered.

It clearly does exist as a concept to the PLA if the Taiwan MoN reports are too be believed. PLAAF regularly flies just across the edge and back. They almost never intrude any further.

 

[Temstar]

It clearly does exist as a concept to the PLA if the Taiwan MoN reports are too be believed. PLAAF regularly flies just across the edge and back. They almost never intrude any further.

Yes, that's the trick. You'll be putting you faith into an agency that was first saying no missiles overflew Taiwan, then when was called out by Japanese MOD saying not only did DF-15 overflew, it actually overflew almost directly over Taipei they came back with "but but the missiles were more than 100km up, therefore in space and not in our airspace".

There's already so many cases those MND report being proven false. Not the least of which is the fact that they show PLAAF aircrafts taking physics defying hair pin turns.

To tie this back to the thread. I recall last year in particular ROCMND reported once an unusual number of J-16 in the strait, to the point that if it was real you could build a whole J-16 wall flying towards Taiwan with minimum space separating them for safe operation and still not reach the number quoted. I recall we were suspecting that this was an artefact of them falling for J-16D or other means of EW.

 

[PersianPrince]

But, I would throw out this question for various people reading this thread -- are you able to find a picture of a J-16 carrying a regular sized BVRAAM (i.e.: PL-12 or PL-15), at one of the innermost wing weapons stations (circled red below)?

I think this question can be answered, although it is a dummy round.

 

[Blitzo]

I think this question can be answered, although it is a dummy round. View attachment 108296

Nice find

 

[kriss]

It clearly does exist as a concept to the PLA if the Taiwan MoN reports are too be believed. PLAAF regularly flies just across the edge and back. They almost never intrude any further.

Though it was proved last August that they draw that way to only mark entry and exit of median line and don't show the flight path after they cross the line. There was footage of PLA aircraft flying near shore of taiwan island and in that day's report it's still "just across the edge and back".