China Flanker Thread II

[SinoSoldier]

The engine intake hardpoints are empty so I would say no. As a comparison the Indian Flanker can carry at least 12 missiles on all its hard points

Now before anyone starts a flame war, I said "AS A COMPARISON". I fully expect the J-11s to be capable of lugging at least an equivalent loadout. But the one in the pic is clearly not.
Also, man does that guy in the blue felt hat look like a midget. The height difference between him and the guy next to him in the last pic is unbelievable.

Perhaps the other two guys were standing on top of the munitions cart and he wasn't. I don't think he would be delegated such a task if he were of that height.

 

[by78]

J-16 again... Decent resolution.

 

[Deino]

The engine intake hardpoints are empty so I would say no. As a comparison the Indian Flanker can carry at least 12 missiles on all its hard points

Now before anyone starts a flame war, I said "AS A COMPARISON". I fully expect the J-11s to be capable of lugging at least an equivalent loadout. But the one in the pic is clearly not.
Also, man does that guy in the blue felt hat look like a midget. The height difference between him and the guy next to him in the last pic is unbelievable.

To admit, I'm slowly loosing my patience !

You already got a kind reminder yesterday and today take this as a warning.

Your posts are intentionally provocative, and you know it ... and NO, SDF is surely here to have fun but not to make fun with stupid comments. Otherwise You time here will be very short, promised.

So and to your question: why did you took an image of one indeed fully loaded IAF Flanker and compare it with one PLAAF Flanker in standard AAM-loading.

If you would have searched carefully and not by intention misleading you would have noticed that most Air Forces - maybe only the Indian not - with a light AAM load of at best 4 SR-AAMs and 4 MR-AAMs. But I'm sure all Air Forces - besides the Indian one - are either stupid or have only limited capabilities since their fighters are not loaded to the maximum.

Or am i wrong?

Deino

 

[Deleted member 13312]

So and to your question: why did you took an image of one indeed fully loaded IAF Flanker and compare it with one PLAAF Flanker in standard AAM-loading.

If you would have searched carefully and not by intention misleading you would have noticed that most Air Forces - maybe only the Indian not - with a light AAM load of at best 4 SR-AAMs and 4 MR-AAMs. But I'm sure all Air Forces - besides the Indian one - are either stupid or have only limited capabilities since their fighters are not loaded to the maximum.

Or am i wrong?

Deino

I am aware that it is not the standard practice for airforce around the world to load all their hardpoints with missiles. But I brought this up as the OP was asking whether this was the extreme limits of what a flanker type fighter can be loaded to. I have made that distinction in the subsequent posts.
If there was a PLAAF J-11 pic depicting it fully loaded I would have used it, however there are none to be found or if there are are not readily available. On the other note there was any unintentional provocation then that is regrettable, but I find that it is important to see both sides of an argument or to explore other possible points of discussions.
And PS : I thoroughly understand the pains you and other mods have to go to to ensure a reasonable discussion ground. I will do my best to keep with the perimeters.

 

[Hyperwarp]

Via LKJ86 -

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More J-11 with R-77

 

[Deino]

I am aware that it is not the standard practice for airforce around the world to load all their hardpoints with missiles. But I brought this up as the OP was asking whether this was the extreme limits of what a flanker type fighter can be loaded to. I have made that distinction in the subsequent posts.
If there was a PLAAF J-11 pic depicting it fully loaded I would have used it, however there are none to be found or if there are are not readily available. On the other note there was any unintentional provocation then that is regrettable, but I find that it is important to see both sides of an argument or to explore other possible points of discussions.
And PS : I thoroughly understand the pains you and other mods have to go to to ensure a reasonable discussion ground. I will do my best to keep with the perimeters.

Thanks for your reply ... and for the requested image, this is in fact the only one I know showing a J-11B armed with all pylons loaded (6x PL-12 + 4x PL-8). It must however be reminded that the J-11B lacks one pylon per wing in comparison to the MKI.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

Thanks for your reply ... and for the requested image, this is in fact the only one I know showing a J-11B armed with all pylons loaded (6x PL-12 + 4x PL-8). It must however be reminded that the J-11B lacks one pylon per wing in comparison to the MKI.

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Thanks, but I must also point out that the rear center line pylons are obscured/not loaded. And other pics shown that they can be used as hard points. That's one of the reasons why I did not use that image.

 

[badger16]

Quick googling is wrong. No Knaapo made Su-30 use PESA radars. Su-30M and its derivatives (Russian M2 or export tailored MKK, MK2, MKV and so on) are simply planes with fairly old tech. They're not to be confused with Irkut made Su-30MKI series, which was basis for other variants such as MKA, MKM and Russian own SM. No array upgrade has ever taken place for MKK/MK2. Some upgrades to the fire control system are likely, as we've seen Chinese weapons integrated with MKK, but the underlying hardware is the same.

Hmmm...English Wikipedia page on Su-30MKK claims that it first had "N001VEP

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. Now I guess that is an error (probably somebody edited it afterwards thinking it's a PESA), but then it claims that subsesquent airframes had Zhuk-MS planar array. Is this also an error?

 

[Totoro]

Yes and yes, both are errors. VEP is still the same array. Processing hardware behind it has been modernized to an extent, compared to previous VE array. And new weapons have been integrated with the fire control to be used, since VEP enabled better usage of those weapons.

Absolutely no mechanical planar array was ever put in a serial-made Su-27/30/33 in active service, to my knowledge. Twist cassegrain and PESA only.

 

[SinoSoldier]

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