China Flanker Thread II

[Yodello]

Well South Korea and Japan fields the F-15 Eagle variants, which can be considered the analogue for the J-16.And are quite capable in their own rights.

Hmmm.. Maybe....! The difference is that the J-16 is complemented by a host of other Fighter jets and superior systems within the PLA, and the J-16 is build in-house.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Well South Korea and Japan fields the F-15 Eagle variants, which can be considered the analogue for the J-16.And are quite capable in their own rights.

The South Korea F-15 variant (base on F-15E) are indeed analogous to the J-16 in their strike-fighter role, but the Japanese F-15J is closer to the J-11A/B since it is a dedicated air-to-air platform. Neither currently uses AESA radar to the best of my knowledge.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

Hmmm.. Maybe....! The difference is that the J-16 is complemented by a host of other Fighter jets and superior systems within the PLA, and the J-16 is build in-house.

Both South Korea and Japan also have various other fighters to complement the F-15, the prime ones being the F-16 and Mitsubishi F-2. Also the F-15J was built under license by Japan, in a rather similar way the J-16 can trace its lineage from the J-11 which in is a licensed copy (allegedly) of the Su-27K.

The South Korea F-15 variant (base on F-15E) are indeed analogous to the J-16 in their strike-fighter role, but the Japanese F-15J is closer to the J-11A/B since it is a dedicated air-to-air platform. Neither currently uses AESA radar to the best of my knowledge.

The manufacture for the F-15K (Slam Eagle) claims that the radar used is a AESA. And while the F-15J is optimized for air to air combat it still can use PGMs if need. Plus the F-15J is currently in the progress of being upgraded with SARs which give them good ground mapping capabilities for ground strike.

 

[Tam]

There's definitely something to the observation that we haven't seen many (in my case, any) pictures of PLAAF warplanes carrying PGMs or heavy A2G munitions in general - it's mostly been the ubiquitous rocket pods. Does the PLAAF have some ideological aversion to PGM's like the PLAN is averse to calling the 055 a cruiser? Perhaps because ground attack (presumably on enemy territory) is more "aggressive" and "imperialistic" than A2A (presumably in defense of the homeland)? I really would like to see the back end of the purely defensive "People's War" historical legacy and see the PLAAF adopt the view that the best defense is a good offense.

Maybe they just don't like to show them much. One of the purposes of purchasing the Su-30MKK was for PGMs. Here, a TV guided KAB-1500.

 

[Hyperwarp]

Both South Korea and Japan also have various other fighters to complement the F-15, the prime ones being the F-16 and Mitsubishi F-2. Also the F-15J was built under license by Japan, in a rather similar way the J-16 can trace its lineage from the J-11 which in is a licensed copy (allegedly) of the Su-27K.


The manufacture for the F-15K (Slam Eagle) claims that the radar used is a AESA. And while the F-15J is optimized for air to air combat it still can use PGMs if need. Plus the F-15J is currently in the progress of being upgraded with SARs which give them good ground mapping capabilities for ground strike.

F-15K at least the 1st 40 birds were equipped with APG-63(V)1 which are mechanically scanned radars. It is upgradable to the APG-63(V)3 AESA but not sure whether the Koreans have done so. F-15I, F-15S, F-15K all had mechanically scanned radars when 1st purchased. F-15SA, F-15SG, F-15QA have APG-63(V)3 AESA right out of the factory.

 

[Franklin]

Both South Korea and Japan also have various other fighters to complement the F-15, the prime ones being the F-16 and Mitsubishi F-2. Also the F-15J was built under license by Japan, in a rather similar way the J-16 can trace its lineage from the J-11 which in is a licensed copy (allegedly) of the Su-27K.

The J-16 and other Chinese versions of the Flankers produced today are all unlicensed. China can produce as many Flankers as they want without Russian assistance or permission. China now has full control over the production. That's not the case with Japan over the F-15.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

The J-16 and other Chinese versions of the Flankers produced today are all unlicensed. China can produce as many Flankers as they want without Russian assistance or permission. China now has full control over the production. That's not the case with Japan over the F-15.

True but that can hardly be considered a plus for the Chinese, especially in terms of intellectual property integrity and such. One can say that the act of China producing unlicensed copies of the Su-27 had directly sunk several other potential deals with Russia, like for the Tu-22M and the Ka-50. Both of which would have been great force multipliers for China. Russo-Sino cooperation would have been much more successful.
At least Japan would have little difficulties in building more F-15s if they want to as there is little reason as to why the US would want to block such a move from an ally for a plane that they aren't actively making themselves.

 

[Yodello]

True but that can hardly be considered a plus for the Chinese, especially in terms of intellectual property integrity and such. One can say that the act of China producing unlicensed copies of the Su-27 had directly sunk several other potential deals with Russia, like for the Tu-22M and the Ka-50. Both of which would have been great force multipliers for China. Russo-Sino cooperation would have been much more successful.
At least Japan would have little difficulties in building more F-15s if they want to as there is little reason as to why the US would want to block such a move from an ally for a plane that they aren't actively making themselves.

The fact is, China builds its own front-line fighters. Period....! That gives it greater autonomy to experiment and produce as many as they want, and produce them in incremental or evolutionary technological advancements, to be equipped with the best technologies and Industrial production capability available to the Chinese Nation. Japan can buy all it wants, but China will from now onward always have the advantage.
You can try to project and beat the drum all you want for Japanese and South Korean warplanes in a 'China Flanker Thread', but it ain't gonna convince us that Japan and South Korean planes bought from a foreign country is going to give them an edge over China,not when you consider the whole war-fighting systems , Military Industrial complex and Industrial capacity already in place. Nope, sorry.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

The fact is, China builds its own front-line fighters. Period....! That gives it greater autonomy to experiment and produce as many as they want, and produce them in incremental or evolutionary technological advancements, to be equipped with the best technologies and Industrial production capability available to the Chinese Nation. Japan can buy all it wants, but China will from now onward always have the advantage.
You can try to project and beat the drum all you want for Japanese and South Korean warplanes in a 'China Flanker Thread', but it ain't gonna convince us that Japan and South Korean planes bought from a foreign country is going to give them an edge over China,not when you consider the whole war-fighting systems , Military Industrial complex and Industrial capacity already in place. Nope, sorry.

Yeap, here we go, back to the nationalistic chest thumping. And one wonders why people sometimes have a low opinion on China watchers at times.
To cut the drivel short, I never claimed that China is currently behind the curve. Quite the contrary, I think that its current line of fighters are strong challengers, but they also exist in a tough neighborhood.
Japan and South Korea also have their own considerable military industry, no doubt they have assistance from the US on many an occasion. But credit must also be given to them making the most of it.

 

[Tam]

True but that can hardly be considered a plus for the Chinese, especially in terms of intellectual property integrity and such. One can say that the act of China producing unlicensed copies of the Su-27 had directly sunk several other potential deals with Russia, like for the Tu-22M and the Ka-50. Both of which would have been great force multipliers for China. Russo-Sino cooperation would have been much more successful.
At least Japan would have little difficulties in building more F-15s if they want to as there is little reason as to why the US would want to block such a move from an ally for a plane that they aren't actively making themselves.

Russians are pretty awful for support, maintenance and supplying parts. They use that as cards to control their client.

The Chinese are so much better off with their unlicensed J-11s than let's say the Indians with their licensed Su-30MKIs. In fact the Indians are so p*ssed off with the Russians they are also canceling ties on the fifth generation project.

Ka-50 and Tu-22M aren't that important. If the Chinese really wanted them, regardless of the Su-27 IP infringement, the Russians will still sell it to them. Money is money.