China Flanker Thread II

[Deino]

Oops, sorry, my mistake. Not too familiar with my Russian aircraft. Too many variants

And I do have still some problems with the J-11-family !

Maybe saomeone can help me out with the differences between a Russian-built Su-27SK, a J-11 (IMO just a SAC manufactured SK !??!), a J-11A and the J-11B.


As far as I know, the J-11A has a certain quared and different coloured patch on the horizontal tails in contrast to the "A" (not sure).

For the latter it's easy, since a "B" has the MAW's, the new HUD (but not all) and most noticeable the black radome (and hopefully some day the WS-10A) !


Cheers + Thanks a lot,
Deino

 

[Roger604]

Personally, i think the best role for the flanker is to make it into a dedicated strike platform and take full advantage of its range and payload. So the development of the j11bs is probably more significant.

but then that would need to compete with the jh7a and rumoured semi stealth striker they r developing.

J-11BS should be significantly superior to JH-7A and significantly inferior to a 5th generation strike aircraft. I don't think PLAAF will take the risk of totally relying on the 5th generation strike aircraft development. They will definitely need J-11BS to fill the gap.

Incidentally, we've seen J-11BS prototype in yellow primer. I don't think we've seen it operational in a regiment, have we?

i don't see how saying certain J-11s will be converted to J-11B avionics/weapons and building new J-11Bs conflict with teach other. Do you think they are not trying to get new flanker regiments?

He means that there must be building new J-11Bs, not just upgrading old J-11A's, because some airframes are just too old to be upgraded and need to be retired.

For the latter it's easy, since a "B" has the MAW's, the new HUD (but not all) and most noticeable the black radome (and hopefully some day the WS-10A) !

Do you mean that the newest J-11Bs look like they are using AL-31F?

That is strange.... PLAAF doesn't have enough Russian engines for both production of J-10s and J-11Bs. It's unlikely they would use up the existing stock of engines for the two engined flankers instead of single-engined J-10s.

If we confirm that the newest J-11Bs look like they are using AL-31F, it suggests that the final production version of FWS-10 is visually indistinguishable from AL-31F.

 

[Deino]

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Do you mean that the newest J-11Bs look like they are using AL-31F?

That is strange.... PLAAF doesn't have enough Russian engines for both production of J-10s and J-11Bs. It's unlikely they would use up the existing stock of engines for the two engined flankers instead of single-engined J-10s.

If we confirm that the newest J-11Bs look like they are using AL-31F, it suggests that the final production version of FWS-10 is visually indistinguishable from AL-31F.

Yep ... also a point I still don't understand, but as far as I see it: The WS-10A is clearly distinguishable from an AL-31F or FN since the after-burner section is completely different.

(Here I don't know why people still mix both engines !!???)

In regard to Your question; YES ... "However the initial batch of J-11Bs powered by the indigenous WS-10 turbofans were quickly grounded due to the poor quality of the engine. Subsequent batches are forced to be powered by Russian AL-31F turbofans until WS-10's reliability problem is solved. "

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Deino

 

[pla101prc]

i don't see how saying certain J-11s will be converted to J-11B avionics/weapons and building new J-11Bs conflict with teach other. Do you think they are not trying to get new flanker regiments?

no you said they are not building more j-11b's,then you said a bunch of su-27 are going out of service...those two statement to me seem contradictory.

 

[tphuang]

no you said they are not building more j-11b's,then you said a bunch of su-27 are going out of service...those two statement to me seem contradictory.

do you mind pointing out where I said that, I don't see it on this page and I don't understand why would I ever say something as ridiculous as they are not building more J-11Bs. It's possible that I would say that they are building J-11BS instead of J-11B, but that doesn't contradict it.

To deino, I think the versioning on these flanker variants is a little confusing. I'm not sure if the J-11s using J-11B level avionics + AL-31F are considered to be J-11B.

 

[maozedong]

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J-11 fighter in the assembly in China and China's production of imitation, in the Chinese factory's Su-27-by-batch performance improved, the whole import of Su -27 also been improved, especially in electronic equipment. Chinese J-11 fighter with more than four degrees telex control system, installation of multiple multi-function color displays, improved electronic warfare capabilities, to enhance ground and sea attack capability.

this is a setion article talk about J-11s, I don't know this site is reliable or not, but I think the article is reasonable, that explain the J-11s carry PL-12 in the photo.

 

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this is a setion article talk about J-11s, I don't know this site is reliable or not, but I think the article is reasonable, that explain the J-11s carry PL-12 in the photo.

that site looks just like the the Chinese version of wikipedia. It's pretty much something that you or I can write out. You can use your own experience to figure out why J-11s carry PL-12.

 

[Blitzo]

Ok I'm not sure if we've had these two pics here before, or if they're PSed. But I've been searching for them for ages (since I caught a glimpse of them on wikipedia, but were deleted very quickly for some reason), and I finally got the one of the diamond wing models. I got the swept wing ones via google images as well.

Can anyone just say if they've seen them come up before, and if they're PSed, or if the models were from some Western aerospace industry instead of Russian?
(Obviously, I'm inferring the pics might be of the PAKFA. I didn't know where else to put this post)

 

[maozedong]

you should put these pictures in " new generation fighter" thread.

 

[rommel]

Ok I'm not sure if we've had these two pics here before, or if they're PSed. But I've been searching for them for ages (since I caught a glimpse of them on wikipedia, but were deleted very quickly for some reason), and I finally got the one of the diamond wing models. I got the swept wing ones via google images as well.

Can anyone just say if they've seen them come up before, and if they're PSed, or if the models were from some Western aerospace industry instead of Russian?
(Obviously, I'm inferring the pics might be of the PAKFA. I didn't know where else to put this post)

Well, I believe that the second picture are models for the S-37/SU-47. The first one may look like a PAKFA design, but I'm not sure.