China Flanker Thread II

[no_name]

It says serial number 100 to 108 have been finished and that more are on the production line.

 

[FORBIN]

Seems very recent a new combat unit received new J-11BH 24Rgt/8th Div to Jialaichi, SSF, normaly 24 as the 2 others but seems no BHS version.
Replace 32 J-7EH+4 JJ-7.

8th J-11B/BH : 5 for AF and 3 for Navy Aviation.

Maybe a member already spoken but I can not read all the posts.

 

[Totoro]

if true, where would the j7e go? is it possible they'd get given away to the air force? seeing how j7e should sitll have some life in it, whereas air force has over a dozen regiments still using old generation j7?

also, taking into account that newbit from awhile ago that j11b production will cease this year, would it be safe to assume that's that - 3 for navy and 5 for air force? Even more telling that air force didn't get j11b in some time, almost as if they're waiting for something else... j16? Which, if true, could further signal that j16 is seen by plaaf as a multirole fighter to go into fighter regiments, not a striker to replace q5 regiments.

edit: scramble.nl already has the same data, removing j7eh from navy orbat and putting j11bh instead. I guess it's true then...

edit: wait, 5 units of j11b for AF? when did that happen? I thought there were just 4 regiments. werent there like 140+ j11b in service just a year ago?

 

[tphuang]

if true, where would the j7e go? is it possible they'd get given away to the air force? seeing how j7e should sitll have some life in it, whereas air force has over a dozen regiments still using old generation j7?

also, taking into account that newbit from awhile ago that j11b production will cease this year, would it be safe to assume that's that - 3 for navy and 5 for air force? Even more telling that air force didn't get j11b in some time, almost as if they're waiting for something else... j16? Which, if true, could further signal that j16 is seen by plaaf as a multirole fighter to go into fighter regiments, not a striker to replace q5 regiments.

edit: scramble.nl already has the same data, removing j7eh from navy orbat and putting j11bh instead. I guess it's true then...

edit: wait, 5 units of j11b for AF? when did that happen? I thought there were just 4 regiments. werent there like 140+ j11b in service just a year ago?

it looks like PLANAF is modernizing faster than PLAAF. I think PLAAF is waiting for J-16 and J-10B.

As for numbers, you have 1 regiment of J-11B in the first divison with what seems to be 30+ J-11Bs. After that, there are 4 J-11Bs of at most 24 planes each. I would bet that not all of those regiment/brigade have received every plane. As for the navy, the first 2 regiment probably have received all of their planes, but the last one has just started receiving planes. At this point, I would imagine that J-11B production would stop at SAC (maybe J-11BS would continue) and SAC will focus on J-15 for the navy and J-16 for the air force. It actually really surprised me that they have this new J-11BH regiment, since I thought they were already directing all of their productions for J-15 and 16.

So , you are probably looking at close to 200 J-11B/S once the production is finished, which is more than I would've guessed 3 years ago.

 

[FORBIN]

if true, where would the j7e go? is it possible they'd get given away to the air force? seeing how j7e should sitll have some life in it, whereas air force has over a dozen regiments still using old generation j7?

Scrapped i guess, already this is very difficult to find new !! then for old ...

 

[Blackstone]

Real Clear Defense has an article about PLAAF's participation in Russia's "Aviadart" competition, and the article said China sent Su-30MKK Flankers, but the picture shows what looks like J-11BS wingtip. Can anyone shed some light on it?

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[tphuang]

Real Clear Defense has an article about PLAAF's participation in Russia's "Aviadart" competition, and the article said China sent Su-30MKK Flankers, but the picture shows what looks like J-11BS wingtip. Can anyone shed some light on it?

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not 100% sure, but I think that's a Su-30. J-11BS and Su-27UBK has single nose wheel and this one has twin nose wheels.

 

[lcloo]

Real Clear Defense has an article about PLAAF's participation in Russia's "Aviadart" competition, and the article said China sent Su-30MKK Flankers, but the picture shows what looks like J-11BS wingtip. Can anyone shed some light on it?

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The photo showed SU-30MKK. Tips on identification is

1) the small white square patch just after the nose cone. Only Russian made jets or kits from Russia has this small square patch. Thus the aircraft is a imported Russian made jet.

2) The vertical tail fin is not cropped, which is an ID feature for SU-30 series jet. J-11BS has vertical tail fin cropped.

 

[Blackstone]

Thanks to Feng and Icloo for the clarifications, but your comments raise even more questions; do the J11-style wingtips mean PLAAF reworked Su-30MMKs to use Chinese munitions? If so, why only some (we still see photos of PLAAF Flankers with Russian-style wingtips)? And if Russian wingtip configurations work with Chinese munitions, then why change them in the first place?

 

[lcloo]

Thanks to Feng and Icloo for the clarifications, but your comments raise even more questions; do the J11-style wingtips mean PLAAF reworked Su-30MMKs to use Chinese munitions? If so, why only some (we still see photos of PLAAF Flankers with Russian-style wingtips)? And if Russian wingtip configurations work with Chinese munitions, then why change them in the first place?

SU-30MKK cannot use Chinese munitions. The wing tip pylon in the photo is not Chinese. Chinese wing tip pylon has a step shape which is broader at the aft section.

This is Russian SU-30M2, note that the wing tip pylon is same as the SU-30MKK



This is the Chinese wing tip pylon from J-11BS