China Flanker Thread II

[Deino]

Isn't WCT = WTF ! (upps, bad word, autsch ... no, Deino, NO !)

Deino want's to see J-20 '2011' ...
right now, immediately, just that moment !!
NOW !!!!

Brrrrr, Deino, cam Down ... good boy, here are Your pills !


I think I should go to bed.

Deino

 

[nkvd]

It can carry a maximum load of 12 tons of bombs or missiles, including YJ-62 and YJ-83 anti-ship missiles.
Say What?

 

[thunderchief]

It can carry a maximum load of 12 tons of bombs or missiles, including YJ-62 and YJ-83 anti-ship missiles.
Say What?

Well , loaded weight of Su-30MKK is 24900 kg , and maximum takeoff weight is 34500 kg , according to Wikipedia . If Chinese did use more composites for J-16 , it is possible that useful load reaches 12 tons , especially without maximum fuel .

 

[Air Force Brat]

Isn't WCT = WTF ! (upps, bad word, autsch ... no, Deino, NO !)

Deino want's to see J-20 '2011' ...
right now, immediately, just that moment !!
NOW !!!!

Brrrrr, Deino, cam Down ... good boy, here are Your pills !


I think I should go to bed.

Deino

Yes, I usually save the J-20 thread for last, hoping there will be a nice reward for my patience, quick somebody PS Deino a clipped vert, overall white with orange tips J-20, or do it for the Air Force Brat. Actually I just hate those "stooopid" green hub caps on flankers, actually somebody should PS a J-20 in Thunderbird Garb. LOL end off topic

Strangely, I'm not excited about the J-16, but I love the J-15, those canards have to add some hustle to her pitch transiton, and likely help develop a little lift off the Ramp, I really like this airplane, and I hate to admit it, but next to the T-50, the Flanker is probably the best looking, the J-15 the best looking of the Flankers, the Su-34,,,,,not so much...

 

[nkvd]

Well , loaded weight of Su-30MKK is 24900 kg , and maximum takeoff weight is 34500 kg , according to Wikipedia . If Chinese did use more composites for J-16 , it is possible that useful load reaches 12 tons , especially without maximum fuel .

Max combat load for the SU-30 family is said to be 8000kgs according to KNAAPO and that includes the SU35( although the SU35 carries an extra 2 tonnes of internal fuel).Now according to your own source Wiki,the J-16 has combat load similar to the SU-30s ie 8 tonnes.The SU-34 useful load was just recently stated as 14 tonnes which means the J-16 at 12 tonnes would be just 2 tonnes shy of the SU-34!!!

 

[tphuang]

Max combat load for the SU-30 family is said to be 8000kgs according to KNAAPO and that includes the SU35( although the SU35 carries an extra 2 tonnes of internal fuel).Now according to your own source Wiki,the J-16 has combat load similar to the SU-30s ie 8 tonnes.The SU-34 useful load was just recently stated as 14 tonnes which means the J-16 at 12 tonnes would be just 2 tonnes shy of the SU-34!!!

Theoretically yes, but there is no reason to list it like that if J-16 is never flying with that much payload. Unlike Su-34, China isn't marketing J-16 for exports. Also, there is the question of what you carry on all of the pylons to even get to 8 ton of payload.

 

[Blackstone]

Any talk of a navalised J-16?

 

[Blitzo]

Any talk of a navalised J-16?

No need, J-15 has strike capability already.

 

[thunderchief]

Max combat load for the SU-30 family is said to be 8000kgs according to KNAAPO and that includes the SU35( although the SU35 carries an extra 2 tonnes of internal fuel).Now according to your own source Wiki,the J-16 has combat load similar to the SU-30s ie 8 tonnes.The SU-34 useful load was just recently stated as 14 tonnes which means the J-16 at 12 tonnes would be just 2 tonnes shy of the SU-34!!!

When calculating useful payload of the airplane (i.e. bombs that plane could carry ) there are three things to consider . First is maximum takeoff weight . Simply saying , plane could not safely takeoff above that weight . Second is weight of empty plane (without fuel and weapons but including all necessary equipment) . An third is maximum pylon capacity (Flankers don't have internal weapons bay ) i.e. how much weight you could attach to your airplane without damaging the wings . In our example , difference between empty and max takeoff weight of Su-30 MKK is around 20 tonnes . But maximum pylon capacity is just 8 tonnes , meaning that rest of the unused weight could be only fuel .

China has reportedly increased max takeoff weight by 1 tonne (by using stronger engines) and reduced empty weight by 1 tonne (by using more composites) . Now you have the difference between empty and max takeoff weight of around 22 tonnes . Obviously , with strengthening the wing (by using more advanced materials etc ... ) you could add more hardpoints (or multiple-ejector racks ) and carry more weapons . Therefore , if China managed to strengthen the wings of J-16 , it is entirely possible that said plane could take off with 12 tonnes of weapons and 10 tonnes of fuel , although 10 tonnes of fuel would not be its maximum fuel capacity .

 

[Schumacher]

No need, J-15 has strike capability already.

nowhere near that of j16, especially taking off from carrier.