China Flanker Thread II

[A.Man]

J-11B

I am not sure what they are!

I am certain these are J-11B's

 

[Blitzo]

J-11A or Su-27. J-11Bs are not armed with R-73 or R-27...

 

[Quickie]

Also, the additional black triangle pointing backwards below the nosecone of the older flankers is a good telltale sign.

 

[franco-russe]

40634 is a J-11B of Jinan MRAF’s 32 Div 95 Regt Lianyungang-Baitabu (34 34 16 N 118 52 33 E), the former 19 Div 57 Regt.

The shelters are new, first seen in GE update 14.04.13, they were not there in 2010.

 

[siegecrossbow]

40634 is a J-11B of Jinan MRAF’s 32 Div 95 Regt Lianyungang-Baitabu (34 34 16 N 118 52 33 E), the former 19 Div 57 Regt.

The shelters are new, first seen in GE update 14.04.13, they were not there in 2010.

Speak of Jinan's J-11Bs:

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现场直击：济空航空某团飞行训练现场

　　中广网济南10月11日消息（记者孙杰 郝茂金）济空航空兵某团按照“能打仗，打胜仗”要求，从难从严摔打部队，坚持实战训练常态化，飞行人员空战水平得到进一步提升，他们组织了一次自由空战训练。

　　在济空航空某团飞行训练现场，4架战机依次升空，一场“二对二”自由空战开始。

　　15分钟后，飞机到达指定空域，红蓝双方展开激烈交战。在空勤休息室，大家正密切关注空中态势，说起自由空战飞行员个个情绪激昂：上去以后不管关系好坏，不管职务大小，一点面子都不给，就把他当成一架敌机来对待，就是说我想尽一切办法，把你打成筛子，我活着回来。

　　正是凭着一股不服输的劲头，飞行人员使出浑身解数，将战机性能飞到极限水平，载荷经常达到8个G，这对体力和精力消耗特别大。即便如此，空战一结束，飞行人员顾不上休息，就直奔飞参评估室。

　　在评估室，记者看到飞行人员正对刚才自由空战情况进行复盘推演，更多的是查找问题，在总结检讨中不断积累空战对抗经验。飞行员李福盛：评估手段越来越真实了，你只有在演练中多被别人打下几次，你才有可能在实战中解决这些问题。

　　2个小时过后，第二波次的自由空战又开始了。临上飞机前，团长王东伟一直在和僚机刘畅针对上一轮空战暴露出的问题研究战术战法，一门心思要打败对手。

　　今年以来，该团紧贴实战练对抗，注重提高自由空战训练效益，飞行人员空战能力得到不断提高。团长王东伟：我们团以自由空战为牵引，通过狠抓准备质量、狠抓评估、狠抓总结，把我们团提出的明明白白飞每一架次，每一架次飞得明明白白，空中不浪费每一分钟、每一滴油，让每一分钟转化成效益，让每一滴油转化成战斗力。

(来源:中广网)

I will give a brief synopsis. The pilots in Jinan feel confident enough with their WS-10 equipped J-11Bs to push them to the edge. In a 2 vs 2 free style showdown, the pilots experienced 8 G accelerations at times. After examining the data from the first engagement, the pilots went up and fought for a second round.

I think that WS-10 engines should be pretty reliable at this stage. According to Yankee from CJDBY, we'll see the going at one another at the Golden Helmet exercise later. Watch this space.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Speak of Jinan's J-11Bs:

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I will give a brief synopsis. The pilots in Jinan feel confident enough with their WS-10 equipped J-11Bs to push them to the edge. In a 2 vs 2 free style showdown, the pilots experienced 8 G accelerations at times. After examining the data from the first engagement, the pilots went up and fought for a second round.

I think that WS-10 engines should be pretty reliable at this stage. According to Yankee from CJDBY, we'll see the going at one another at the Golden Helmet exercise later. Watch this space.

Excellent news this news completely demolish the opinion of "our resident expert" who insinuate that WS10A is no good because it never participate in Air exercise . Good job siege Please keep us updated with golden helmet exercise. Now where is Kroko ?

 

[siegecrossbow]

Excellent news this news completely demolish the opinion of "our resident expert" who insinuate that WS10A is no good because it never participate in Air exercise . Good job siege Please keep us updated with golden helmet exercise. Now where is Kroko ?

The Golden Helmet exercise won't be till much later, but I'll try to update once the news articles come in.

Admittedly, the early batch of WS-10s did have problems. In the late 2000s some of the big shrimps reported that J-11B pilots refused to execute complex maneuvers because they feared that the engine might flame out. However. engines matured and now pilots are comfortable enough with them to push them as hard as possible.

 

[tphuang]

Excellent news this news completely demolish the opinion of "our resident expert" who insinuate that WS10A is no good because it never participate in Air exercise . Good job siege Please keep us updated with golden helmet exercise. Now where is Kroko ?

It was actually the big shrimps on Chinese forums that said this originally.

I don't see how this demolish any opinions, since this shows WS-10A is getting better over time or at least PLAAF is more comfortable allowing pilots to push WS-10A further. It's all part of the process of improving the quality of WS-10A. It shouldn't be surprising that WS-10A is becoming more reliable and it's only going to get better over time.

 

[kroko]

Now where is Kroko ?

Right here.

 

[Schumacher]

Speak of Jinan's J-11Bs:


I will give a brief synopsis. The pilots in Jinan feel confident enough with their WS-10 equipped J-11Bs to push them to the edge. In a 2 vs 2 free style showdown, the pilots experienced 8 G accelerations at times. After examining the data from the first engagement, the pilots went up and fought for a second round.

I think that WS-10 engines should be pretty reliable at this stage. According to Yankee from CJDBY, we'll see the going at one another at the Golden Helmet exercise later. Watch this space.

Good news. Even when Air Forces buy new mature jet/engine that have been in the market for decades, it takes years for them to be declared fully operational & be ready to be pushed to the limits, new procedures/tactics are learned, tried & tested on them etc.
PLAAF is the very first to use these WS10 on J11, when u consider the time since they do production & delivered, it's not bad. Many of the complaining on the net are just impatience with fanboys.