China demographics thread.

[RoastGooseHKer]

I think the people there like danger, gambling with which version of her you'll see today. They're fucking crazy.

And they drink 120 proof baijiu with rice bowls instead of shot glasses. A shot in Dongbei is equal to 6-7 shots in the South. Could alcohol be another main reason why birthrate is so low in Heilongjiang? Like in Russia?

 

[manqiangrexue]

And they drink 120 proof baijiu with rice bowls instead of shot glasses. A shot in Dongbei is equal to 6-7 shots in the South. Could alcohol be another main reason why birthrate is so low in Heilongjiang? Like in Russia?

I don't know. Generally, getting smashed isn't good for family life but everything else is such a bigger factor that I think that is a very small reason.

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

They probably have the most modlesque look in all of China; they're tall, slender, fair-skinned with tall noses.

I dated a girl from Jilin. Her father spent some time in jail after stabbing someone at the bar with a broken beer bottle, and she had major anger issues. But she was tall, slender, and fair skinned with a tall nose. She could also drink almost as much as me.

Jiangsu/Zhejiang girls are the most beautiful though!

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

I learned the hard way. My wife told me she's from Shandong when we met. Turns out only her paternal grandfather is from Shandong.

Most people in Dongbei today are from families that moved there from Shandong and Hebei in the late 19th/early 20th century.

 

[lockedemosthenes1]

That's easy. Dongbei people are fucking crazy.

I learned the hard way. My wife told me she's from Shandong when we met. Turns out only her paternal grandfather is from Shandong. Extremely respectable man, PLA special forces in Korea at a time when there was no special forces. Deadly accurate and long range when throwing WWII-style drumstick grenades. Was so important to his unit, they carried him into battle when he was bed-ridden with fever just for his throwin' arm. Anyway, the rest are all from Dongbei. Aaand now the goddamn circus is in town.

Every family in Dongbei has at least one dude who became a gangster. According to my wife, that's her 195cm older cousin, who allegedly Ivan Drago throat-lifted a dude when he cut in front of her in line. That's also the person I'm to be careful for if we end up divorced. At least he can't sneak up on me...

Half the people in Dongbei have stabbed someone before, though not fatally, as long as you conduct your poll outside of prison.

2 guys could be friends for decades, go drinking, get into an argument and one guy will off the other with a shovel to the head.

Arguing is the provincial hobby. Every loving family does it... every day. My in laws are always at each others' throats one minute, acting completely normal the next. My father in law calls his wife, "the mental patient" as her nickname. 65 years old, they get into arguments about who made more lifetime money/contributions to their family in the middle of the night escalating into shouting until my father in law leaves the room to sleep outside. He comforts himself over a bowl of milk, rice, and 1 raw onion, his favorite breakfast. When asked what happened, he says he needed to escape from the mental patient continuously spitting at him. When I asked my mother in law if she spat at him, she says says she coughed once and he fucked off outside. They basically agreed to divorce each other since my wife was 5 years old, pending her moving out to college so she wouldn't need them to provide her a traditional home anymore; supposedly the only reason they're still together is because they got too lazy to do it. According to my wife, this is an average household in Dongbei; they don't argue much at all compared to the norm over there.

Once during an argument I got wrapped into, my father in law threatened to kill me. Said he's 30 years older than me so he'll figure it out, and I'll die before him. Just watch. I've never ever been spoken to like that in my life. After a nap, he woke up totally fine smiling at me, sharing food. Later, when my wife asked him what he said to me in private, he asked how could I take him seriously as he's a feeble old man and he'd have an easier time chopping down a tree with his bare hands than causing injury to me.

(Credit where it's due, though, my father in law was carrying my 20 month old daughter in his arms when he slipped. He protected her with both arms and braced the fall by sticking his head out, sustaining a nearly skull-deep laceration above his brow that took 6 stitches to close, and lost consciousness and vision for a few minutes. The first thing he did when he regained speech was look for my daughter and ask if she's ok, with blood pouring down his face and completely disoriented, calling her name as she was standing and crying right next to him. In the hospital, which he didn't want to go to despite his brow hanging down an inch lower than the other one from the cut, he said, even if he died, he couldn't let her get hurt.)

Women in Dongbei are considered cute when they are fierce. When my wife is under stress, she blows up at everyone in the house one after the other, except her father; they get along great with each other. When asked why she does this while I can control myself, she says it's because she's such a gentle person, she doesn't make me mad but she's the victim of my idiocy so by pointing out her temper, I'm actually victim-blaming.

One time we got into a fender-bender in a parking lot. I drove into an empty parking spot through a hatched area but the other person opened her door without checking, so she doored my front fender. My wife immediately got out and screamed at her. The other driver defended herself and screamed back. I went in the middle and said, "OK, let's all just calm down; we can call insurance and they'll handle it. Screaming isn't gonna make things better for anyone." My wife was then enraged that I didn't take her side and immediately went off the rails in public about, "Why don't you go sleep with that ugly whore tonight!!?" Then she called her parents and told them, in a publically audible tone, that her husband is off to screw a random ugly whore he found in the parking lot after she hit his car." Exactly half an hour later, she wrapped herself around my arm again giggling while happily shopping for dinner. Circus.

Half the reason we did surrogacy in Kazakhstan was to preserve her physique; it's impressive as she has a slender but muscular build which shows visible abs with no gym maintenance. According to her, her cousin also had such a physique... until she gave birth to 2 kids. Now she looks like a female bear. So I'm not taking any chances, but the other half of the reason is that if she's this crazy normally, I think she might burn my house down if she got angry while pregnant. Essentially, by paying for surrogacy, I'm getting a free house by saving mine and guaranteed 4 kids in 4 years. That's a deal.

Even when she wasn't pregnant but expecting, she became stressed because the doctor reported that our second child had wrapped his umbilical cord around his neck so they might need to induce birth early if he shows signs of distress. This got her in such a mood where she became annoyed when my mom (who is a doctor) kept calling asking for updates so while flinging a sofa cushion at me, it went overhead and took out the ceiling light, raining glass down in the room. When explaining to our Kazakh Aribnb host how this happened, she said the wind did it. Nobody knew how to respond and I just held my face in my hand.

If this sounds difficult to imagine, watch this instagram account. This lady sounds exactly like my wife, accent, sentence structure, demeanor, everything. It's cute because the clips last for 20 seconds and you can escape by changing the web browser, but not so much when you live in it. There are so many fans admiring the page saying they want to marry a fiesty lady like her. Fucking idiots have no idea what they're asking for.

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Oh and it's also cold as hell and basically Chinese Russia.

请问为何会这样呢？因为东北是苦寒之地所以人们不得不好勇斗狠？

 

[gadgetcool5]

Interesting to note that China's 9.54 million births in 2024 out of the global 132 million represented 7.2% This is similar to the Warsaw Pact's 7.17 million births in 1956 out of the global total of 99 million at the time (also 7.2%). After 1967, the Warsaw Pact consistently hovered between 4.7% and 5.5% of the world's births until 1989.

A key difference is that today, sub-Saharan Africa accounts for a third of all global births, whereas during the 1950s, it was only about 12%. Tragically, Africa has consistently been left out of global development and unlike countries in Asia, Europe, or the Americas, and is unable to translate demographic dividend into economic strength. If you exclude Africa, Warsaw Pact births were about 8.2% of the world total in 1956, and China's births today would have had to be under 7.1 million to be such a low percentage. My conclusion is currently, China is in a better demographic position vis-a-vis the world than the Warsaw Pact in the 1950s excluding Africa, but in a similar position if including Africa. China is in a better demographic position than the Warsaw Pact in the late 1960s-80s, but this could change if China's births fall under 7 million.

 

[fishrubber99]

Number of marriage registrations are down around 8% in Q1 of this year, to 1.81 million couples. It looks like zero-COVID ending in late 2022/early 2023 resulted in a lot of delayed marriages happening in 2023 and marriage/birth numbers will conform to a more "normal" level from here on.

Many local governments are trying to rollout marriage and birth incentives, so there's already some proactive movement towards handling low births and population aging (can read more about this in the article)

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[manqiangrexue]

请问为何会这样呢？因为东北是苦寒之地所以人们不得不好勇斗狠？

不知道. 加拿大,芬兰,挪威也很冷. 人挺温顺的.

This is an English forum. Lockedemosthenes1 (there's another user with that name so you had to add 1?) asked why Dongbei people are like that, if their fierce nature is tied to the cold weather and I said I don't know. Canada, Finland, Norway are all cold as hell but the people there are mellow.

 

[qrex]

That's easy. Dongbei people are fucking crazy.

I learned the hard way. My wife told me she's from Shandong when we met. Turns out only her paternal grandfather is from Shandong. Extremely respectable man, PLA special forces in Korea at a time when there was no special forces. Deadly accurate and long range when throwing WWII-style drumstick grenades. Was so important to his unit, they carried him into battle when he was bed-ridden with fever just for his throwin' arm. Anyway, the rest are all from Dongbei. Aaand now the goddamn circus is in town.

Every family in Dongbei has at least one dude who became a gangster. According to my wife, that's her 195cm older cousin, who allegedly Ivan Drago throat-lifted a dude when he cut in front of her in line. That's also the person I'm to be careful for if we end up divorced. At least he can't sneak up on me...

Half the people in Dongbei have stabbed someone before, though not fatally, as long as you conduct your poll outside of prison.

2 guys could be friends for decades, go drinking, get into an argument and one guy will off the other with a shovel to the head.

Arguing is the provincial hobby. Every loving family does it... every day. My in laws are always at each others' throats one minute, acting completely normal the next. My father in law calls his wife, "the mental patient" as her nickname. 65 years old, they get into arguments about who made more lifetime money/contributions to their family in the middle of the night escalating into shouting until my father in law leaves the room to sleep outside. He comforts himself over a bowl of milk, rice, and 1 raw onion, his favorite breakfast. When asked what happened, he says he needed to escape from the mental patient continuously spitting at him. When I asked my mother in law if she spat at him, she says says she coughed once and he fucked off outside. They basically agreed to divorce each other since my wife was 5 years old, pending her moving out to college so she wouldn't need them to provide her a traditional home anymore; supposedly the only reason they're still together is because they got too lazy to do it. According to my wife, this is an average household in Dongbei; they don't argue much at all compared to the norm over there.

Once during an argument I got wrapped into, my father in law threatened to kill me. Said he's 30 years older than me so he'll figure it out, and I'll die before him. Just watch. I've never ever been spoken to like that in my life. After a nap, he woke up totally fine smiling at me, sharing food. Later, when my wife asked him what he said to me in private, he asked how could I take him seriously as he's a feeble old man and he'd have an easier time chopping down a tree with his bare hands than causing injury to me.

(Credit where it's due, though, my father in law was carrying my 20 month old daughter in his arms when he slipped. He protected her with both arms and braced the fall by sticking his head out, sustaining a nearly skull-deep laceration above his brow that took 6 stitches to close, and lost consciousness and vision for a few minutes. The first thing he did when he regained speech was look for my daughter and ask if she's ok, with blood pouring down his face and completely disoriented, calling her name as she was standing and crying right next to him. In the hospital, which he didn't want to go to despite his brow hanging down an inch lower than the other one from the cut, he said, even if he died, he couldn't let her get hurt.)

Women in Dongbei are considered cute when they are fierce. When my wife is under stress, she blows up at everyone in the house one after the other, except her father; they get along great with each other. When asked why she does this while I can control myself, she says it's because she's such a gentle person, she doesn't make me mad but she's the victim of my idiocy so by pointing out her temper, I'm actually victim-blaming.

One time we got into a fender-bender in a parking lot. I drove into an empty parking spot through a hatched area but the other person opened her door without checking, so she doored my front fender. My wife immediately got out and screamed at her. The other driver defended herself and screamed back. I went in the middle and said, "OK, let's all just calm down; we can call insurance and they'll handle it. Screaming isn't gonna make things better for anyone." My wife was then enraged that I didn't take her side and immediately went off the rails in public about, "Why don't you go sleep with that ugly whore tonight!!?" Then she called her parents and told them, in a publically audible tone, that her husband is off to screw a random ugly whore he found in the parking lot after she hit his car." Exactly half an hour later, she wrapped herself around my arm again giggling while happily shopping for dinner. Circus.

Half the reason we did surrogacy in Kazakhstan was to preserve her physique; it's impressive as she has a slender but muscular build which shows visible abs with no gym maintenance. According to her, her cousin also had such a physique... until she gave birth to 2 kids. Now she looks like a female bear. So I'm not taking any chances, but the other half of the reason is that if she's this crazy normally, I think she might burn my house down if she got angry while pregnant. Essentially, by paying for surrogacy, I'm getting a free house by saving mine and guaranteed 4 kids in 4 years. That's a deal.

Even when she wasn't pregnant but expecting, she became stressed because the doctor reported that our second child had wrapped his umbilical cord around his neck so they might need to induce birth early if he shows signs of distress. This got her in such a mood where she became annoyed when my mom (who is a doctor) kept calling asking for updates so while flinging a sofa cushion at me, it went overhead and took out the ceiling light, raining glass down in the room. When explaining to our Kazakh Aribnb host how this happened, she said the wind did it. Nobody knew how to respond and I just held my face in my hand.

If this sounds difficult to imagine, watch this instagram account. This lady sounds exactly like my wife, accent, sentence structure, demeanor, everything. It's cute because the clips last for 20 seconds and you can escape by changing the web browser, but not so much when you live in it. There are so many fans admiring the page saying they want to marry a fiesty lady like her. Fucking idiots have no idea what they're asking for.

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Oh and it's also cold as hell and basically Chinese Russia.

I know we all hate wordcels here but someone needs to write a dissertation about the sociological morphology of Dongbei and the various curios of which it generates

 

[Michael90]

China has plenty of land, people choosing to squeeze into the same cities and towns is a problem with civil management (particularly the hukou system and infrastructure concentration). A population density map that illustrates this quite well:

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What China really needs to do, presuming population crowding is seen as a problem, is move people more evenly across the country. 94% of the population lives east of the "Hu Line," and even then it is not evenly distributed (e.g. Northeast China has been suffering from population loss for years, if not decades).

Historically, people concentrated along the coasts and bread baskets for food & trade. But with modern transportation that is increasingly not a thing. Reduced exports as a percentage of GDP will also decrease the importance of living along the coasts. So all that remains to do is to ensure that new businesses and industries are invested in less populated areas so as to create new centers of commerce.

I think its also because most of the land in the interior is relatively inhospitable ( mountainous, high plateau, desertic etc) and not as conducive for living compared to areas closed to the coast ?