China demographics thread.

[Xizor]

Few things

1. We have to wait for media reports from 2022 to really gauge the seriousness of China's TFR shift.
2. China's two child policy has borne fruit. But the effects were drowned by the populace entering the 'old age' slot.
3. The three child policy and other incentives ( focused in rural communities primarily) will start to show effect slowly.
4. Skewing of data is significant due to the aging populace ( and drowns out the rising population of children, besides other things).

Compared with 2010, the shares of people in the age groups of 0 to 14, 15 to 59, and 60 and above were up by 1.35 percentage points, down by 6.79 percentage points, and up by 5.44 percentage points respectively. The share of children rose again, proving that the adjustment of China’s fertility policy has achieved positive results. Meanwhile, the further aging of the population imposed continued pressure on the long-term balanced development of the population in the coming period.

 

[Bob Smith]

Lol I wouldnt believe someone who blames the poor relations between China and US on the one child policy.

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China seemed to care enough about his viewpoint to pay him to fly over there to give a lecture about how serious of a problem they had. Then again, they were likely more tolerant of opposing views back in 2016.

 

[Xizor]

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China seemed to care enough about his viewpoint to pay him to fly over there to give a lecture about how serious of a problem they had. Then again, they were likely more tolerant of opposing views back in 2016.

Back then, US wasn't so malignant against China either. There is a difference between constructive criticism and criticism on bad faith. Issues that have complex layers are often simplified to create a "CCP bad" narrative. In such a negative environment, China's approach doesn't seem wrong.

Hey, we don't see US inviting Chinese CCP members to even spectate important matters and developments related to US governance.

 

[Sleepyjam]

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China seemed to care enough about his viewpoint to pay him to fly over there to give a lecture about how serious of a problem they had. Then again, they were likely more tolerant of opposing views back in 2016.

Considering he is braindead and untrustworthy I sure hope they don’t tolerate him anymore.

 

[Bob Smith]

Back then, US wasn't so malignant against China either. There is a difference between constructive criticism and criticism on bad faith. Issues that have complex layers are often simplified to create a "CCP bad" narrative. In such a negative environment, China's approach doesn't seem wrong.

No one who is trying to alert the Chinese government into inducing policies that will boost their birth rate(make more Chinese people) can be seen as a bad faith actor. He doesn't criticize China about anything else(human rights, unfair trade practices, etc.) outside of their demographic problems.

Hey, we don't see US inviting Chinese CCP members to even spectate important matters and developments related to US governance.

Yi Fuxian isn't an American government employee so I don't know why you're trying to conflate the two.

 

[Sleepyjam]

No one who is trying to alert the Chinese government into inducing policies that will boost their birth rate(make more Chinese people) can be seen as a bad faith actor. He doesn't criticize China about anything else(human rights, unfair trade practices, etc.) outside of their demographic problems.

Yi Fuxian isn't an American government employee so I don't know why you're trying to conflate the two.

Lol He literally blamed China on the poor relations with the US. He blamed the one child policy for somehow causing the trade deficit with the US for exporting too much and importing too little. He blames the lost of manufacturing in the US on China as well. The guy is braindead. Unfair trade practices? America’s trade practices is fair but China’s isn’t?

 

[Xizor]

No one who is trying to alert the Chinese government into inducing policies that will boost their birth rate(make more Chinese people) can be seen as a bad faith actor. He doesn't criticize China about anything else(human rights, unfair trade practices, etc.) outside of their demographic problems.

Yi Fuxian isn't an American government employee so I don't know why you're trying to conflate the two.

I didn't specifically point out this individual. And one can find out his anti CCP stance (

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) readily. His sole focus is on fertility and CCP's tampering with what is his "concern".

China is well aware of Birth rate and issues. It doesn't need this person to enlighten. Priorities other than Fertility rates must and is certain to have been placed higher during the formulation and implementation of One Child policy. Surprisingly, it was India which tried to implement a One Child Policy before China. But India failed. Reason why governments might have tried to curb reproduction isn't exactly to exercise "control" as journalists who interview Yi Fuxian tries to conclude or note. Because governance doesn't start and end with TFR numbers. Does Yi Fuxian have the best interest of China at heart ? It doesn't seem so.

The fact that US doesn't invite Chinese party members/ Party affiliated academicians to matters significant to its governance BUT China/ CCP even considers inviting people from other countries tells a lot. Being a government employee or not is not exactly relevant.

 

[BlackWindMnt]

Lol He literally blamed China on the poor relations with the US. He blamed the one child policy for somehow causing the trade deficit with the US for exporting too much and importing too little. He blames the lost of manufacturing in the US on China as well. The guy is braindead. Unfair trade practices? America’s trade practices is fair but China’s isn’t?

ooh he is a uncle Gordon Chang?

 

[Xizor]

ooh he is a uncle Gordon Chang?

No, he isn't Gordon Chang. Yi Fuxian is knowledgeable and learned. But his singular focus is on Fertility. He expects the government to place fertility above all ( I say the time is now) and tries to hammer in his belief that OCP has been bad. He has been beating this horse for two decades. Media outlets ( NYT, FP,BBC, NPR) who love to bash CCP takes statements from him and then fleshes out the tried, trusted (but not tired) story about how the CCP policies have ''come back to bite them''.

Governance isn't just TFR. If that was the case then Afghanistan, Congo, Nigeria etc should be receiving medals for good governance. OCP, whether good or bad, cannot be ascertained, as one doesn't know how positively or negatively it has affected matters in China. Has OCP led to improved nutrition in the children of china, removing them from the clutches of malnutrition and developmental disorders ? Very likely. Has OCP led to more even and sustainable distribution of support to families ? Very Likely. Has OCP reduced pressure on a growing economy ? Likely. So many things to consider but Yu Fuxian is happy that he got to jump ship to US and reproduce to make three children.

 

[Sleepyjam]

No, he isn't Gordon Chang. Yi Fuxian is knowledgeable and learned. But his singular focus is on Fertility. He expects the government to place fertility above all ( I say the time is now) and tries to hammer in his belief that OCP has been bad. He has been beating this horse for two decades. Media outlets ( NYT, FP,BBC, NPR) who love to bash CCP takes statements from him and then fleshes out the tried, trusted (but not tired) story about how the CCP policies have ''come back to bite them''.

Governance isn't just TFR. If that was the case then Afghanistan, Congo, Nigeria etc should be receiving medals for good governance. OCP, whether good or bad, cannot be ascertained, as one doesn't know how positively or negatively it has affected matters in China. Has OCP led to improved nutrition in the children of china, removing them from the clutches of malnutrition and developmental disorders ? Very likely. Has OCP led to more even and sustainable distribution of support to families ? Very Likely. Has OCP reduced pressure on a growing economy ? Likely. So many things to consider but Yu Fuxian is happy that he got to jump ship to US and reproduce to make three children.

You should read his interview with voa in Chinese.