China and Internet/Cyber-Censorship Issue

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Franklin

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I thought about this too, and that's why I said terrible PR campaign. Whereas Western states produce their equivalent of various surveillance bills and laws, NONE had been so explicit or that extensive and arbitrary in terms of trying to touch you all over. They either do it behind your back and quietly, or pass bills with implicits and sufficient ambiguity or at least not so overt in saying I'll look at everything you do. China on the other hand, is totally different, and doing it the worse way possible.

While I also disagree with Harper or Patriot Act or NSA or other Western intelligence sneaky peeky actions, they again at least do put/give enough Fs about the public sentiments and the public, HRW groups, activists can actually voice about it. China's like, right in your face about it, and not caring what you think at all.

Also the issues with these bills is, often they're left ambiguous in terms of avoiding key words that can flare you up, so in other words at least they don't seem to state directly gonna take away your privacies and rights. The same sword is that also you won't know if your rights could potentially be in jeopardy and also the duration of the bill in effect. Thus why wordings are on the top of critic's minds while ambiguity and duration are often for concerned citizens and activists' primary concerns..all of which they have good reasons in investigating.

And again there's no knowing for sure if this is merely for counterterrorism or for cracking down on other voices critical of the government. Also if given the contexts of how it was framed, there's barely any gesture this is for CT-related rather than for general-purpose.

Finally, China as authoritarian with terrible track records up to recent years when it comes to human rights and censorship makes them have even less social points, credibility, and trusts in terms off this field. Again as I've mentioned in a previous thread....even IF China means for the best(and by the scheme of things of this bill,it doesn't feel so), they have such terrible impression and history and issues with people not trusting them, that what they do will always not be assumed too generously by others and for good reasons. And also often when they make a gesture, it's gestures like this type of bill which just makes them worse off.

And just to drag a little off-topic, the same goes with how HK government makes public statements the past year. They would say things that are too high profile, sound extremely pretentious and flamebait people more than anything. For example after incidents of police brutality that was also reported in the latest HRW report, public officials, rather than say things like "we will investigate" or make more cautious statements, they said things "the police handling of the event was like a kind mother handling a child", when you still have people recovering from broken bones from police baton strikes. It's lip services like these that makes the government even less credible, creates even more anger for their shameless statements. You don't see the States department or Canadian politicians saying these things, and when they do, they also get sh!t for it and the politicians usually come out apologizing.

Sometimes I just lose hope in this country, and I'm losing hope in HK gov't with this impotent administration, and also the Harper regime. Ugh
If you want to know why PR/ propaganda in the West is more effective than in China. That is because propaganda in autocracies are a function of bureaucracy and propaganda in democracies are a function of industry. So that's part of the reason why its far more efficient and effective. And the democratic system gives the people a (false) sense that they are in control of their own destiny.
 

Equation

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The internet is simply not as free as it used to be like during the 1990s. It's treated like a television or newspaper as a form of entertainment and information therefore censored either by corporation or government as it get more popular in use.
 

solarz

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LOL, where's your outrage at Blizzard? They require you to use your real name too. I used a fake name on my SC2 account, and now I'm stuck with it even though I play only with real life friends. :(

Seriously though, the internet in China is a different beast to the internet you're used to. You just have to accept the fact that you're using a big LAN and you're only allowed to do things the sys admin lets you do.

That said, someone needs to experiment with anonymity (or the lack thereof) on the internet, and China is as good a candidate as any. It would be interesting to see what direction internet discussions take when anonymity is removed. Assuming, of course, that this is enforced.
 

Jeff Head

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Guys, this thread is simply going to be too ideological in nature. SD is not about discussing and giving opinions on these types of social issues, or governmental decisions.

China is an independent government. It is a single party state. it makes the rules there...whether we agree with them or not.,

I am not saying that is good, or right...I am just saying it is the way it is and SD tries to remain above what will almost always be the political and ideological fray...and the flame that comes with it.

I have strong opinions about this...but SD is not about that.

we allow a member club room, but the rules about politics and ideology still stand.

This topic will lead to arguments, ideological posturing, high emotion, arguments, and ultimately warnings, suspensions, and thread closure.

So I am cutting to the chase to avoid all of that.

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