China and Arab countries

AndrewS

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The Saudis can afford to be really generous right now.

I did wonder about the recent blockbuster trip MBS made to Korea.

Having an ally like Saudi is priceless.

This has got to be helping S. Korea make the multipolar choice:

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Well, Saudi Arabia does have a lot of low cost energy, whether that is hydrocarbons or the lowest cost electricity in the world generated by solar.

So given the deindustrialisation of Europe caused by high energy prices, Saudi would be a logical place to put industrial plants that require a lot of electricity and empty land.

The Korean companies win and also Saudi knows one day that the oil will run out, so they need to diversify.
 

AndrewS

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Turkey is closer to Europe and has more educated talent available not to mention lower salaries. North Africa is another possibility.

Turkey has a long history of political and economic instability. They're currently suffering from near 100% annual inflation.
Ditto for most of North Africa.

So they're not really somewhere you want to build huge industrial plants.

And I expect the Saudis are providing much of the funding for these plants in Saudi Arabia.
You can't say the same of Turkey or North Africa.
 

gelgoog

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Saudi Arabia is way less stable than someone from the outside would think. Part of their population in the Persian Gulf are of the Shia Islam persuasion. Then you have the still simmering conflict in Yemen and other issues. They also have like half the population of Turkey. And a lot of these people do not expect to work. They expect to be given handouts by the government based on oil revenues, with hired hands from Pakistan, Bangladesh, or whatever doing the hard work for them. If you need someone with advanced technical expertise then you hire people from the West to do it for you. Most of the people with higher education in Saudi Arabia have diplomas in Islamic Studies. Not exactly the prime ground for an industrial nation.
 

AndrewS

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Saudi Arabia is way less stable than someone from the outside would think. Part of their population in the Persian Gulf are of the Shia Islam persuasion. Then you have the still simmering conflict in Yemen and other issues. They also have like half the population of Turkey. And a lot of these people do not expect to work. They expect to be given handouts by the government based on oil revenues, with hired hands from Pakistan, Bangladesh, or whatever doing the hard work for them. If you need someone with advanced technical expertise then you hire people from the West to do it for you. Most of the people with higher education in Saudi Arabia have diplomas in Islamic Studies. Not exactly the prime ground for an industrial nation.

I actually rate the Saudi Shia population as pretty stable/loyal.
We can see that relations with Yemen and Iran are being worked on

On Turkey, remember when there was a coup attempt on Erdogan by the military and that the Turkish military still has an ongoing insurgency in Kurdistan. Turkey is not a better option than Saudi.

And if you actually think about it, Saudi Aramco does have a lot of expertise in oil, gas and heavy industries such as petrochemical processing. These are industries which are very capital intensive and therefore don't need many people. But the few you do need are very well paid.
 

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China in Lebanon: A Peaceful Partner

China’s policy of non-interference helped to promote peaceful development and conflict resolution at home. Beijing’s stance in bilateral conflicts is reflected in this section. Humanitarian aid and a push for quick domestic resolution were key factors in its success.

In 2006, China became entangled in an Israeli–Lebanese conflict initiated by Hezbollah. Both an Israeli anti-aircraft warship and an Egyptian merchant ship were hit by two Chinese-made C-802 missiles launched from the Lebanese coast by Hezbollah back in 2006. Hezbollah may have obtained the missiles from another source, but there is no evidence that China sent them.

A number of reasons were given by Shichor (2006) for China’s lack of interest in partnering with Hezbollah. First and foremost, it is considered a terrorist organization by the United States. As part of the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), China has deployed more than 1,000 peacekeepers to Lebanon, which was announced by Wen Jiabao. Beijing has been alerted to the fact that Chinese peacekeepers have been injured or killed during this operation.

Chinese Deputy Representative to the United Nations Lui Zhenmin criticized Israel’s actions in 2006 because they were violating Lebanon’s sovereignty. Force should be used less frequently and the armed blockade should be lifted, Zhenmin said. Hezbollah’s military actions of crossing the Israeli-Lebanese border and launching missile attacks on Israeli cities were also opposed by China. Hezbollah’s acts were openly blasted for the first time in China’s history. They further accused the United States of manipulating the conflict to exert pressure on Iran and Syria and to spread democracy around the world. For China’s economic benefit, the crisis has been resolved quickly by words rather than deeds. Through its involvement in the United Nations and the United Nations Security Council (UNSC), China was able to play an indirect role in the Lebanon mediations. During Lebanon’s civil war, China has also provided financial assistance.

Both China’s role as a UN Security Council member and its involvement in the Syrian war had a significant impact on diplomatic ties. China has long advocated non-interference in other countries’ internal affairs and non-use of military force. When it comes to world peace and security, the United States’ vetoes on Syria resolutions are crystal apparent. In the past, Beijing rejected a resolution in Libya by exerting pressure on the Libyan government to ensure the safety of the populace. Responsibility to protect (R2P) was abstaining from voting on the resolution 1973, which triggered quick military action in Libya in 2011. The Chinese government remained, however, steadfast in its opposition to the use of force within the country. Beijing’s approach to R2P was informed by Libya. Multiple UNSC resolutions on Syria were vetoed by Beijing and Moscow together. Russia and China work together to avoid a military intervention that would topple the administration of Bashar al-Assad.

In 2011, when they rejected a resolution denouncing Syria, China and Russia exercised their first veto in their strategic collaboration on the Syrian conflict. President Bashar al- Assad’s resignation and cessation of violence against opponents were blocked by China and Russia in the UN Security Council (UNSC) in February 2012. Both countries voted against a UN Human Rights Council resolution condemning Syrian regime crimes in March of that year. Indeed, it opposed the Assad regime’s collective punishment and chose a more cautious R2P policy. Through impartial mediation, China urged all Syrian sides to stop all violence, especially against civilians.

The contributions of China to Lebanon have been minimal until recently, compared to other countries. This policy of non-intervention has resulted in good relations with all the countries of the region as well as close cooperation with Russia on the Security Council.


Lebanon: China’s Strategic Partner in BRI

With the BRI, China’s ties with Lebanon have a bright future. CCPIT signed two Memorandums of Understanding in 2017 with the Arab Chambers of Commerce to help expand the BRI to include Lebanon. Beirut received aid packages totalling more than $100 million from China as part of the 2018 China-Arab States Cooperation Forum (CASCF). China’s future bilateral relations with Lebanon may revolve around the BRI. That’s why it’s crucial to keep an eye on how things can change.

Lebanon aims to be a major player in the effort. Investing in infrastructure in Tunisia makes sense because of its strategic location and easy access to the Mediterranean Sea. Beirut and Tripoli’s port facilities might be used as a regional hub for Mediterranean Sea trade. As a corollary to this reasoning, China has made significant investments in expanding the port’s infrastructure. That the Tripoli Municipalities Union is a member of China’s Silk Road Chamber of International Commerce is worth mentioning (SRCIC). SRCIC Chairman Adnan al Kassar said that the SRCIC is willing to lend Lebanon $2 billion at reasonable interest rates, according to Lebanese-Chinese relations. China’s ambassador to Lebanon Wang Kejian stated that his country was willing to assist Lebanon in developing its southern cities and communities. Chinese investment in the repair of Syrian infrastructure could be facilitated by the country’s proximity to Syrian territory.

Beijing held the First Trade Fair on Syrian Reconstruction Projects in July 2017 and announced a $2 billion investment in the country’s reconstruction efforts. As a result, it’s hard to tell exactly how much of that money has been received thus far. Russia, China, Iran, and Lebanon are participating in the trade fair. At the 60th Damascus International Trade Fair in 2018, more than 200 Chinese firms signed agreements to build steel facilities and power plants and to make Chinese-brand automobiles. Syria will welcome Chinese investment in its rehabilitation, President Assad said in an interview with Phoenix Television. In the future, he sees an increase in trade between the two countries. Syria’s acceptance of China’s invitation to join the BRI was widely applauded.
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About 80 percent of Lebanon’s needs are met through imports and, according to China’s state-run Xinhua news agency, 40 percent of the imports come from China.

The gross value of imported Chinese goods — typically electrical appliances, clothing, toys, cellphones, furniture, industrial equipment, candies and foodstuff — is estimated at $2 billion annually.

The trade imbalance is evident from Lebanon’s annual exports to China, which amount to no more than $60 million.

The influence of China can be gauged from social trends as well. In recent years, Lebanon has seen a growing interest among young people in learning Chinese.

Among other academic institutions, the Confucius Institute at St. Joseph’s University in Beirut and the Language Centre at the Lebanese University have Chinese language programs.

“In 2006, we established the Chinese-Arab Friendship Association (CAFA). Since then, we have held more than 15 conferences sponsored by China in various disciplines in 23 Arab countries. The number of Lebanese merchants who have visited China stands at 11,000.”

According to Daher, China has signed four agreements with the Lebanese University and another with the Ministry of Culture.

“China had to wait for three years to be granted the permit to build its cultural center in Lebanon,” he said.

“The Chinese donated $66 million to set up Lebanon’s largest music center, currently being built by Chinese companies. The Lebanese state has only provided the land.”

Daher believes “the Chinese are taking the long view,” with the Lebanese economy and the military as well as the banks still tied to American institutions.

He dismisses the notion that China is seeking to gain control over Lebanon’s political and economic decision-making structures.

“China is not being able to get into Lebanon. Entry even through investment projects will be difficult since the Lebanese ask for their cuts, but the Chinese, like the Japanese, do not pay bribes from government money.”

Pointing to the interest reportedly expressed by Chinese firms to take over electricity and infrastructure projects in Lebanon, he said “the offers have not been approved, and China is forbidden from entering Lebanon in such ways.”

Daher puts it this way: “China is interested in marketing its products in such a way that both parties can benefit from. Lebanon is an economically distressed country and does not constitute an important market for China.

“The problem is that the money of the Lebanese people is blocked in banks and the economy is in recession. China sells us its products at attractive prices, but how can the products be marketed in a country whose purchasing power is declining on a daily basis?”

For all the deepening, multidimensional ties with China, Daher says Lebanon is tied to the US until further notice.

“It can neither open up to China, nor free itself of American influence,” he said.

“Since the political class is capitalist, rentier and sectarian by nature, it sticks to quotas and avoids reforms.

“If Lebanon decides to change for the better, then it must open up to China. If the situation remains the same, Lebanon will go bankrupt.”
 

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Qatar was just the beginning as Middle East eyes Asian sports​

This decade and beyond could be the era of Middle Eastern sports.

It may not have sunk in yet, but the Qatar World Cup was the kickoff rather than the finale.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia will be this decade’s focal points of Asian sports. By 2030, Egypt and Turkey could become part of the global sports-hosting mix.

That doesn’t mean that Arab and Berber North Africa will be sidelined. On the contrary, barely two months after emerging as a World Cup superstar, Morocco will
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Qatar will continue hosting major sporting events, such as the
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Saudi Arabia and Egypt are considered
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should they decide to bid for the tournament together with Greece.

A Moroccan pitch for the 2030 World Cup is also within the realm of possibilities.

In between, somewhat incongruously, Saudi Arabia, better known as a desert kingdom, will
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in its futuristic yet-to-be-completed $500 billion city of Neom on the Red Sea.

Moreover, Saudi Arabia is also bidding for the
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Further afar, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are separately considering bidding for the
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but could join forces.
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are mulling their separate candidacies.

Leaving aside the biased and bigoted nature of some of the discussion about the Qatar World Cup that didn’t spare Lionel Messi’s triumphal lifting of the trophy on behalf of the victorious Argentinian team because Qatari Emir Tamim bin Hamad
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, the tournament fueled a long-standing debate on whether autocracies that violate human rights should be granted hosting opportunities that allow them to project themselves on the international stage in a different light.

The flurry of bids and tournaments to be hosted in the Middle East and the by and large celebratory aftermath of the Qatar World Cup proves that the criticism of the Gulf state did little to make Qatar or other regional autocracies rethink the risk of exposing themselves. At the end of the day, the World Cup achieved what the Qataris wanted.

Arab states could set a new benchmark for activists and restructure FIFA if Saudi Arabia tries for a second time to carve a new regional federation out of the world soccer body’s two largest constituent elements, the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) and the Confederation of African Football (CAF).

Sports journalist John Duerden quotes a senior AFC official predicting in 2015 during the Asian Cup in Canberra that “by the end of the next decade,
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Broaching the notion of an Arab split, Mr. Duerden noted that the string of tournaments hosted by Gulf states had exacerbated already strained relations between Arab and East Asian federations, including those of Japan and South Korea, that have long accounted for a significant chunk of AFC revenues.

It didn’t help that Qatar secured the rights to the 2023 Asian Cup after China had to back away from hosting the tournament because of its zero-tolerance Covid-19 policy. The Korean Football Association (KFA) responded positively to an AFC inquiry on whether it would want to replace China but suggested that Qatar made a better financial offer.

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, such as the participation of additional sponsors by its own companies in the AFC, which is currently suffering from a loss due to COVID-19, a large-scale broadcasting rights contract with its own broadcasting company, and support for operating expenses of the Asian Cup,” the South Korean association said in a statement in October.

The KFA said the Qatari maneuver was part of an “unconventional offensive and support of Middle Eastern countries trying to take the lead in Asian football.”

The Koreans further asserted that the prospect of Saudi financial support for the AFC had secured the kingdom hosting the 2027 Asian Cup. Saudi Arabia is the only candidate after India, which the AFC also shortlisted, withdrew its bid.
 
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China, Saudi Arabia to establish free trade zone

The Chinese Foreign Minister stressed that both states should expand cooperation in the fields of economy, trade, infrastructure, energy, and technology

By News Desk - January 31 2023

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The Chinese Foreign Minister Qin Gang announced on 31 January that Beijing is set to bolster bilateral relations with Saudi Arabia and to establish a free trade zone between China and the Gulf “as soon as possible.”

During a phone conversation between Gang and his Saudi counterpart Faisal bin Farhan Al-Saud, Gang stressed that Beijing appreciates the kingdom’s consistent support for China’s regional and international interests.

Gang added that both nations should expand cooperation in economy, trade, infrastructure, energy, and technology.

Al-Saud affirmed Riyadh’s position on China, saying that the kingdom considers Beijing an integral cornerstone of foreign relations and supports the one-China principle, according to the Chinese foreign ministry.

The one-China principle entails that the People’s Republic of China (PRC) recognizes only one sovereign state under the name China, serving as Taiwan’s government and considering it a part of the East-Asian nation.

Last month, Chinese President Xi Jinping
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the kingdom’s integral role in stabilizing the global oil markets, and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MbS) affirmed Riyadh’s support for Beijing’s “one-China” policy during a Saudi-China summit.

The kingdom is China’s primary oil supplier, as Xi has expressed that Saudi Arabia is essential, given the impact of the current energy crisis caused by the US and its allies’ sanctions on Russia.

The OPEC+ coalition has been able to maintain oil a steady oil output as markets struggle to assess the impact of a G7 price cap on Russian oil.

China’s foreign ministry described its president’s visit to the kingdom as the “
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between China and the Arab world” since its current government’s formation.

Washington responded to Xi by describing the move as China’s recent attempt to expand its influence with the
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In August 2022, Saudi Arabia’s Gulf ally, the UAE, also affirmed its
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for Beijing’s “one-China” policy regarding Taiwan.
This came in the wake of US House Speaker
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‘s “provocative visit” to Taiwan.
 
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