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FORBIN

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The RCN shouldn't have done away with its Iroquois DDGs. They would still be very powerful AAW destroyers today had they been upgraded with newer radars (from Thales or Kelvin Hughes) and two quad-canister AShM launchers.
Iroquois have 40 years ! and completely logic deploy in NATO missions ships in Black Sea
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Don't know about you, I paid a lot of tax and I rather not have them being used to provoke the Russkies

Shirking responsibilities as a member of NATO, and potentially putting relations with the US at risk of a cool-down, has far-reaching consequences that could end up costing more.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
Iroquois have 40 years ! and completely logic deploy in NATO missions ships in Black Sea

40 years, perhaps, but still armed with one of the most effective AAW munitions today. All she needed was a mid-life refit with modernized sensors and heavier ASW/ASuW capabilities. A complement of two quad-Harpoon or NSM launchers would be perfect.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
Shirking responsibilities as a member of NATO, and potentially putting relations with the US at risk of a cool-down, has far-reaching consequences that could end up costing more.

Responsibility to provoke the Bear? You as a frequent visitor of this forum should know things NATO have escalated the tension with Russia over the years. I paid a lot of taxes over the years and I don't like my tax dollars being used this way. How much taxes have you paid?
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
Responsibility to provoke the Bear? You as a frequent visitor of this forum should know things NATO have escalated the tension with Russia over the years. I paid a lot of taxes over the years and I don't like my tax dollars being used this way. How much taxes have you paid?
The amount of tax I pay is insane. Here in Alberta, the Feds just take our money and spend it in Quebec. The amount of tax someone pays should not matter in the weight of one's opinion. That is why everyone have one vote, and it doesn't matter if you are a billionaire or on welfare. If paying more taxes gets you more say then Quebec should have way less seats in the commons since they are a have not province and Alberta should have more since we provide a good portion of equalisation payments.

I don't care for the move in the black sea, but that is tit for tat in the north Arctic. But what you are doing is changing the subject, they are not the same thing.

Canada have no business in asia period. I don't even think Australia should be in the SCS, Canada is even further away.
 
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FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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With Asterix, the Canadian Navy finally has a replenishment ship

Since July 20, the Canadian navy has increased its capabilities. L'Asterix was baptized last Thursday at the Davie shipyard in Lévis (Canada). This building is expected to enter service in the fall.
In a post on January 14, 2016 (read here), I presented the Canadian Resolve project, which consisted of the conversion of a container ship built in 2010 into a tanker tanker. The total cost was estimated at 700 million Canadian dollars (450 million), including 300 for conversion, according to the director of the Resolve Project, Spencer Fraser.

The project provided for the ship to be delivered in the summer of 2017 and then leased for 5 years (plus 5 years option) to the Royal Canadian Navy with a full Canadian merchant crew (provided by V.Ships). Annual charter cost: $ 75 million Canadian.
Spencer Fraser announced last Thursday that a second building, similar to L'Asterix, is planned. And that several navies of NATO followed this project with attention.

Some numbers:
182.5 meters long, two football pitches
Large of 25.2 meters
A crew of 150 people
Top speed at 25 knots
Carries up to 7,000 tonnes of fuel
Produces 450 tons of drinking water per day
Heliport and two helicopter hangars
A hospital with 60 seats

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and Canada’s multibillion-dollar naval warship project hits another delay
Despite past assertions about the need for speed, the procurement department has again delayed a key submission deadline in the race to replace the navy’s 12 frigates and three destroyers

May 29, 2017
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Canadian Surface Combatant bids delayed again
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now just Deadline for warship designs missing in action

Jul 25 2017
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The plan to replace the navy's warship fleet is officially sailing uncharted waters, with an important deadline for the $60-billion project having all but vanished.

The government says it continues to work with industry to deliver the warships the navy needs, and that a new deadline will be set soon.

But defence experts say the development is unprecedented, and raises fresh concerns about what is the largest planned military purchase in Canadian history.

The federal government launched a competition last fall in which a dozen of the world's largest defence and shipbuilding firms were asked to design potential replacements for the navy's frigates and destroyers.

The companies were initially given until the end of April to submit their designs, after which one would be selected for construction by Irving Shipbuilding in Halifax.

But the competition is now in a state of limbo, with no established deadline for designs to be submitted since the government extended the competition for a second time in May.

Both Public Services Minister Judy Foote's office and Irving Shipbuilding, which is running the competition on the government's behalf, confirmed that a new submission deadline has not been set.

Officials initially said they needed more time to finish answering the approximately 560 questions that participating firms had asked about the bidding process since the competition was launched last fall.

The focus now is on what is called a voluntary compliance review, in which companies can provide draft copies of their submissions to the government and Irving to ensure they are on the right track.

Foote spokeswoman Mary-Rose Brown declined to say how many companies had decided to participate in the voluntary review, or when it will be complete.

"When it comes to shipbuilding, we are committed to getting the women and men of the Royal Canadian Navy and the Canadian Coast Guard the equipment they need to do their jobs," Brown said in an email.

"We are committed to open, fair and transparent procurement processes. To maximize value for Canadians we continue to work in close partnership with industry."

Irving spokesman Sean Lewis said companies will be notified of the final submission deadline once the review is complete.

The fact the design competition is currently sailing without an established end-date has sparked fresh concern about the project, which has already been under the microscope for years.

"I haven't heard of it before," said Alan Williams, who served as National Defence's top procurement official from 2000 to 2005. "How can you not have a deadline if you have a (competition)? It's bizarro."

Williams worried that messing with the deadline while the competition is ongoing could open the government up to legal challenges from any company whose design isn't chosen.

"It can significantly damage the Crown in terms of legal action in the sense that someone could claim they would have won if they had simply set a date, but they kept dragging this out," he said.

Defence analyst David Perry of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute said his concern is that the uncertainty around this aspect of the competition is reflective of bigger issues within the warship project.

There have already been questions about Irving's role in running the competition, and anger from some companies that British firm BAE could enter its Type 26 vessel despite the ship having never been built.

Defence officials and Irving have also previously warned that time is of the essence when it comes to starting construction, and that they are trying to shave 18 to 24 months off the project.

And some companies have privately railed against the amount of valuable intellectual property they are being asked to hand over to the government and Irving in order to participate in the competition.

"I think it's unusual to have this level of effort and rework going into the bid documents after they've come out," Perry said. "My sense is (the competition) just wasn't ready for prime time when they released it."
 
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