Can the US derail 2025?

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Hendrik_2000

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Max Demian said:
Mining resources and infrastructure are not an issue. Refining and waste management is. As others have pointed out, much of China's competitive edge stems from the disregard for worker safety and environmental damage. However, there is also a degree of technological edge in the refinement process. It will likely take several years to catch up to that.
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That is not true anymore maybe 20 years ago. but now china has put in place strict regulation concerning the mining, extraction and waste management That is why the cost of those rare earth material has gone up
But China did has an edge when it come to refining and downstream processing of the rare earth material. There are more Chinese mining company involve in R&D of mining and extraction of rare metal than anywhere in the world
It will take decades for the west to repeat the process since they have abandoned the technology years ago

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zgx09t said:
Horsefeathers!
That's a really ignorant remark. Whose disregard is worse, China's or the developed West?
Developed countries already knew this fact and they encourage the processing there anyway, and blame the Chinese for doing it? You enjoy the product and pooh pooh the producers. You love the food but look down upon the kitchen staff.That's the Western hypocrisy and horsefeathers of morale high horse that we the Easterners really love to hate your guts out to the bone. Your hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it through with a knife.
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Woah there. I approve of no such thing.

In fact, I'm strongly in favor of terminating trade with companies that cannot demonstrate that their own workers and those in their supply chain enjoy comparable rights to my own country, such as: max 40h work week, unions, payed holiday leave, health insurance, disability insurance, mandatory retirement fund contributions. In addition to that they would also need to demonstrate that they have taken reasonable measures to curtail environmental damage as a result of their business operation, to a degree similar as we do.

If that means importing zero rare earth from China, so be it. Although I would like to think that such an attitude would motivate other countries to improve instead the working conditions of their workforce and their sensibility toward the environment.
 
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Dolcevita

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Max Demian said:
Woah there. I approve of no such thing.

In fact, I'm strongly in favor of terminating trade with companies that cannot demonstrate that their own workers and those in their supply chain enjoy comparable rights to my own country, such as: max 40h work week, unions, payed holiday leave, health insurance, disability insurance, mandatory retirement fund contributions. In addition to that they would also need to demonstrate that they have taken reasonable measures to curtail environmental damage as a result of their business operation, to a degree similar as we do.

If that means importing zero rare earth from China, so be it. Although I would like to think that such an attitude would motivate other countries to improve instead the working conditions of their workforce and their sensibility toward the environment.
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None of the usual consumer items you currently buy are likely made by companies that meet all criteria listed. If anything, Chinese workers are probably better compensated than some other developing countries you have not listed. But since you insist on termination trade with such companies, I suggest you stop using almost all consumer products(Computer, smartphone, TV, Auto, household appliance, etc) as even products made in developed countries contain many parts from companies not compliant with your criteria.

Fair or hypocrite much? Don't say the criteria only applies to China.
 
Hendrik_2000

Hendrik_2000

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Max Demian said:
Woah there. I approve of no such thing.

In fact, I'm strongly in favor of terminating trade with companies that cannot demonstrate that their own workers and those in their supply chain enjoy comparable rights to my own country, such as: max 40h work week, unions, payed holiday leave, health insurance, disability insurance, mandatory retirement fund contributions. In addition to that they would also need to demonstrate that they have taken reasonable measures to curtail environmental damage as a result of their business operation, to a degree similar as we do.

If that means importing zero rare earth from China, so be it. Although I would like to think that such an attitude would motivate other countries to improve instead the working conditions of their workforce and their sensibility toward the environment.
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China has all those social security benefit which rock have you been hiding all those years In fact most Chinese worker retire at 55 and Health cost are reimbursed 60% and going up with every year They do have at least 3 or even more weeks holiday per year
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Hendrik_2000 said:
China has all those social security benefit which rock have you been hiding all those years In fact most Chinese worker retire at 55 and Health cost are reimbursed 60% and going up with every year They do have at least 3 or even more weeks holiday per year
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I get my information first hand from Chinese expats many of whom stem from rural families. The picture they paint is quite different and in line with articles like this:
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But it's good that there are companies that meet my criteria. Those are the ones we should be doing business with. I have no doubt there will be many more to come should we be firmer about our standards. And this applies to companies in general, not just in China. If it means paying more for certain consumer products, I am totally OK with that.
 
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FriedRiceNSpice

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Max Demian said:
I get my information first hand from Chinese expats many of whom stem from rural families. The picture they paint is quite different and in line with articles like this:
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But it's good that there are companies that meet my criteria. Those are the ones we should be doing business with. I have no doubt there will be many more to come should we be firmer about our standards. And this applies to companies in general, not just in China. If it means paying more for certain consumer products, I am totally OK with that.
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So, you don't eat fruit or vegetables from the US? Hmm, you should make sure to get regular check ups then, fruits and vegetables are essential to your health and bowels.
 
Gatekeeper

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Tam said:
Trump did slap tariffs on rare earth elements from China. Smart guy eh?
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To er is to be human, a man never made an error never made anything at all.

So forgive me if I made an error. But your comment is nither smart or mature, and it certainly contribute nothing to this forum!
 
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zgx09t said:
Horsefeathers!
That's a really ignorant remark. Whose disregard is worse, China's or the developed West?
Developed countries already knew this fact and they encourage the processing there anyway, and blame the Chinese for doing it? You enjoy the product and pooh pooh the producers. You love the food but look down upon the kitchen staff.That's the Western hypocrisy and horsefeathers of morale high horse that we the Easterners really love to hate your guts out to the bone. Your hypocrisy is so thick you can cut it through with a knife.
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That remark by him is unbelievable, I'm lost for words. But, you know, in a way, we should be expecting that, because it's exactly the kind of message being repeated in the west MSM!
 
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Max Demian said:
Mining resources and infrastructure are not an issue. Refining and waste management is. As others have pointed out, much of China's competitive edge stems from the disregard for worker safety and environmental damage. However, there is also a degree of technological edge in the refinement process. It will likely take several years to catch up to that.
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You, sir need to look at history and see how much environmental damage have been done by western coporations with the backing of their countries.
 
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