BRICS & New World Order Thread

[FairAndUnbiased]

Speaking of Brazil, a new air cargo service starting from Xiamen to Sao Paolo

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Interestingly enough, it's operated by Ethiopian air. I'm a little surprised that its hometown airline Xiamen Air is not involved with this.

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I don't know how much more local payment they are doing this year, but they are definitely pushing for greater usage this year. And that will help them purchase more natural resources in Yuan. The Yuan clearing center in Brazil should help.

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And of course, getting more countries to BRICS+ is a great way to not only have more neutral countries (if not outright favoring China/Russia) but also doing even more commerce in RMB.

Here is the list of countries looking to join BRICS+

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624191240618274817

Aside from Afghanistan, it's all good candidates.

Is it possible that its operated by Ethiopian Air because flying Xiamen -> Addis Ababa/Dubai -> Sao Paolo is more economical than going across the Pacific because it can carry cargo for the Ethiopian market too? There's no East Asia -> South America routes without stopping, might as well stop somewhere useful.

 

[tphuang]

Is it possible that its operated by Ethiopian Air because flying Xiamen -> Addis Ababa/Dubai -> Sao Paolo is more economical than going across the Pacific because it can carry cargo for the Ethiopian market too? There's no East Asia -> South America routes without stopping, might as well stop somewhere useful.

That actually makes sense, 777LR going direct is probably too far. I don't believe there are direct flights from China to Brazil. Well, it also helps that Ethiopia is a good friend of China.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Is it possible that its operated by Ethiopian Air because flying Xiamen -> Addis Ababa/Dubai -> Sao Paolo is more economical than going across the Pacific because it can carry cargo for the Ethiopian market too? There's no East Asia -> South America routes without stopping, might as well stop somewhere useful.

Besides African nations, how about stopping at South Pacific nations that are friendlier to China?

I think there are two options:

First option would be Honiara. The Solomon Islands is very well-placed for a potential stopover between China and Brazil, and become a regional hub in the South Pacific. Furthermore, setting Honaira up as an alternate hub to Australia could help to raise the economy of the South Pacific island nations through BRI and pull them closer to China through the Solomon Islands. Doing so would also reward Honiara's friendliness towards Beijing, which is another plus for China on the geopolitical stage.

Second option would be Wellington. If Chris Hipkins or any Kiwi Prime Minister that comes after him can maintain similar cordial relations between Wellington and Beijing, then New Zealand too can become a stopover between China and Brazil. Plus, Beijing having one hand into the Five Eyes can also be considered a plus, since the rest of the Five Eyes are already hard-on anti-China. This leaves New Zealand as the only rational player and a potential remaining bridge between China and the Anglo-Saxons when things go terribly wrong.

Sure, the flight routes through the South Pacific would be longer than the ones through Africa, but the economic and geopolitical benefits for China in the South Pacific can also be eye-grabbing.

 

[Strangelove]

BRICS > G7 (GDP PPP)

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

InPEAKS as a direct circular expansion of BRICS in progress?

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InPEAKS = Indonesia (representing Southeast Asia) + Pakistan (2nd largest economy in South Asia after India) + Egypt (representing Africa) + Argentina (2rd largest economy in South America after Brazil) + Kazakhstan (representing Central Asia) + Saudi Arabia (representing West Asia).

 

[tphuang]

From Russian diplomat, Saudi Arabia not only eager to join BRICS, but also SCO.

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Another data point that the Saudis are looking to join China's sphere of influence.
Even just from a higher level point of view, they will want to use Yuan

 

[TK3600]

Speaking of Brazil, a new air cargo service starting from Xiamen to Sao Paolo

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Interestingly enough, it's operated by Ethiopian air. I'm a little surprised that its hometown airline Xiamen Air is not involved with this.

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I don't know how much more local payment they are doing this year, but they are definitely pushing for greater usage this year. And that will help them purchase more natural resources in Yuan. The Yuan clearing center in Brazil should help.

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And of course, getting more countries to BRICS+ is a great way to not only have more neutral countries (if not outright favoring China/Russia) but also doing even more commerce in RMB.

Here is the list of countries looking to join BRICS+

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624191240618274817

Aside from Afghanistan, it's all good candidates.

Aside from Turkey all good candidates.

 

[luminary]

So far it looks like Lula pretended to be less pro-China during the election and flipped after he won

Opposite case of Marcos who pretended to be more pro-China before winning

Lula was one of the original architects of BRICs in 2006 along with his cofounders Putin, Hu Jintao, and Singh. His contribution is difficult to understate. Without him seizing the initiative to align Brazil with the Russia-India-China axis, it is likely RIC would have remained a purely Eurasian organization like SCO (as first envisioned by Russian PM Yevgeny Primakov) and never added South Africa to their ranks. It was Lula that was first to envision BRICS as a voice for the Global South. His sole involvement granted BRICS international significance and a symbolic leadership of the Global South. Seeing the number of new applicants to BRICS+ then, after nearly 18 years since it's conception, must be like seeing his brainchild all grown up.

In addition to being an old Chinese acquaintance (friend may be inaccurate because Lula is also renown for his pragmatism), it would not be exaggerating to say Lula is also the leader of the Latin America regional bloc. His presidency in the early 2000s kicked off the first pink wave of leftist leaders there (they refuse to call themselves "liberals" due to their anti-West stance). Further, his administration first helped found CELAC, a Latin American bloc organization with the express purpose of countering US influence.

It's too bad that Latin America is so vulnerable to corruption and coups. Their rare regional solidarity and Lula's leadership makes them capable of great things.

 

[getready]

Lula was one of the original architects of BRICs in 2006 along with his cofounders Putin, Hu Jintao, and Singh. His contribution is difficult to understate. Without him seizing the initiative to align Brazil with the Russia-India-China axis, it is likely RIC would have remained a purely Eurasian organization like SCO (as first envisioned by Russian PM Yevgeny Primakov) and never added South Africa to their ranks. It was Lula that was first to envision BRICS as a voice for the Global South. His sole involvement granted BRICS international significance and a symbolic leadership of the Global South. Seeing the number of new applicants to BRICS+ then, after nearly 18 years since it's conception, must be like seeing his brainchild all grown up.

In addition to being an old Chinese acquaintance (friend may be inaccurate because Lula is also renown for his pragmatism), it would not be exaggerating to say Lula is also the leader of the Latin America regional bloc. His presidency in the early 2000s kicked off the first pink wave of leftist leaders there (they refuse to call themselves "liberals" due to their anti-West stance). Further, his administration first helped found CELAC, a Latin American bloc organization with the express purpose of countering US influence.

It's too bad that Latin America is so vulnerable to corruption and coups. Their rare regional solidarity and Lula's leadership makes them capable of great things.

What is your opinion on future relationship between China and Brazil under Lula ? Will he be able to resist US pressure and increase cooperation with China and the global south against US hegemony ? And I guess more importantly enemies within his own country?

 

[BlackWindMnt]

What is your opinion on future relationship between China and Brazil under Lula ? Will he be able to resist US pressure and increase cooperation with China and the global south against US hegemony ? And I guess more importantly enemies within his own country?

If they couldn't get their puppet Bolsenaro to really put distance between Brasil and China then i don't know how they will do it with Lula.
Also Brazilian farmers earn too much with exporting agri products to China and those farmers would probably love to eat up the US share of this market....