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Jeff Head said:

.......These new corvettes you posted about Mirage, with their CAMM missiles, will help...but they are still short range solutions and would be inadequte for area coverage for a carrier battle group.

It will be intersting to see how Brazil addresses this.

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Since Brazil has purchased English vessels and they currently have a good working relationship with the English, it is possible that the Brazilians will consider the used option. They may purchase some of the British type 23 frigates which are to be removed from service by 2020. At 5000 tons it is no slouch and in sufficient numbers (which is what Brazil wants) could provide the air defense needed for the fleet.

Currently thirteen Type 23 frigates remain in service with the Royal Navy, with three vessels having been sold to Chile and handed over to the Chilean Navy.

Personally I don’t see the Brazilian government coughing up 700GBP for the type 45 and I don’t see the English selling this beauty to anyone for at least a decade.



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Equation said:

Is that so some kind of steam catapult system for take off over there in the front of the Sao Paulo?

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Si senor! It is a steam catapult.

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Equation said:

Is that so some kind of steam catapult system for take off over there in the front of the Sao Paulo?

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Yes. There are two steam cats on the Sao Paulo. THey were installed on it as the French Fioch. Two US built cats.

This pictures shows them quite nicely:

Miragedriver said:

Since Brazil has purchased English vessels and they currently have a good working relationship with the English, it is possible that the Brazilians will consider the used option. They may purchase some of the British type 23 frigates which are to be removed from service by 2020. At 5000 tons it is no slouch and in sufficient numbers (which is what Brazil wants) could provide the air defense needed for the fleet.

Currently thirteen Type 23 frigates remain in service with the Royal Navy, with three vessels having been sold to Chile and handed over to the Chilean Navy.

Personally I don’t see the Brazilian government coughing up 700GBP for the type 45 and I don’t see the English selling this beauty to anyone for at least a decade.

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Yes, but the Type 23 does not have any area wide coverage either.

Their Sea wolf launchers are being upgraded to CAMM as well and the CAMM range is something like a max of 25 km.

Good for self defense, and perhaps immediate coverage, but not for any area defense.

I also doubt also that Brazil would go the Type 45 route.

But the Brazilians could benefit from something like the Spanish AEGIS frigates which carry 48 Mk-41 cells.

They need something like that. Germany could build something, Spain could...and either of them would probably, with US approval, allow them to be built in Brazil. Norway has a decent platform as does the Netherlands. Another possibility would be the Italians or French building FREMM FFGs for Brazil, or having them license built in Brazil. That would be an excellent option too.

The Type 23 FFGs would definitely be excellent replacements for the Type 23 and Niteroi FFGs in the future.

I believe the Brazilians have a program in planning stages called the PROSUPER program which is targeting five new 6,000 tons frigates for the Navy. I believe that these vessels will have area wide air defense capabilities.

Jeff Head said:

Yes. There are two steam cats on the Sao Paulo. THey were installed on it as the French Fioch. Two US built cats.

This pictures shows them quite nicely:

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The French catapults though are anemic compared to the American, the cats on the Foch and her sister were shorter and less powerful. If I remember correctly the Charles De Gaulle would later adopt American made cats. In any event because of the weaker cats the aircraft that come off the Sao Paulo have to be lighter, which is why the Brazilian fleet went for the Trackers and not for the Hawkeye.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

The French catapults though are anemic compared to the American, the cats on the Foch and her sister were shorter and less powerful. If I remember correctly the Charles De Gaulle would later adopt American made cats. In any event because of the weaker cats the aircraft that come off the Sao Paulo have to be lighter, which is why the Brazilian fleet went for the Trackers and not for the Hawkeye.

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Well, let's talk the French pls

According " Flottes de combat " :

Clemenceau class have catapult Mitchell Brown BS 5, normaly no French with this name and do 50 m long, can catapult aircraft do max 15 t

CDG have US catapult C 13-3, 75 m for aircraft do max 25 t, Rafale 24,5...

US : Nimitz : C 13 mod 1, 94.5 m, i have for Ford EMALS 93 m can u confirm Jeff ?

And see the Rafale on the Foch in 1993 for test :

The Brazilian Air Force wants to raise its Gripen fleet to 108 units

defensa.com) The Brazilian Air Force (FAB) expected by triple jets already contracted, which would bring the fleet up to 108 fighter aircraft Saab Gripen E / F. It is what it said Brigadier José Augusto Crepaldi Affonso, president of the Coordinating Committee of the Program to Combat Aircraft (COPAC) in DefenceIQ International Fighter conference held in London last November 18.




Crepaldi presented his exhibition entitled "Increased air capacity of the Brazilian Air Force - Modernization Program warplane" that shows that the current contract for 36 aircraft, valued at 5,400 million dollars, would be only the first three orders which would raise the number to 108 and whose deliveries will take place between 2019 and 2032.

Replace Gripen Dassault Mirage 2000C aircraft recently removed and Northrop F-5EM and Alenia / Embraer A-1M, which are then still in operation and will continue for many more years, especially in the case of the latter, an interesting project to update Embraer, with AEL as prime contractor.

The 108 Gripen should be submitted well in three batches in a broad timetable, and although I still have not decided how many cars and how many would seater, according to the contract terms in October, eight of the first batch of 36 are variants two places. Brazil has also been in talks with the US Navy regarding the optimal combination of bi appliances and car, to naval needs, and has also spoken to the South African Air Force Gripen operator.

Fifteen aircraft initial series will be completely built in Brazil, while the other 21 will be produced by Brazilian and Swedish Saab engineers facilities. 80% of contracts would be offered aerostructures for Brazilian industry. The Gripen also receive the missile Mectron MAR-1 anti-radiation, a Brazilian project and exported to Pakistan.
The FAB conducted in 2007 a feasibility study on future scenarios posed its Air Force and the need for 108 aircraft, which would meet the future requirements is derived. Thus the FAB would leave the main Gripen NG fighter in the country. This number could be extended if definitely embarked on the aircraft carrier version is developed, called the Sea Gripen.

It is great news for the Brazilian Air Force, but also the leading manufacturer of the airplane, Sweden's Saab, which thus would make sure to have the assembly warplane beyond 2030, something they can not say its main competitors. Saab partnered with local company Embraer to manufacture the Gripen NG, with the Brazilian company responsible for developing the two-seater version of the first batch of 36 aircraft includes 8 aircraft.


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108 logic : Brazilian AF have 57 F-5E/F/EM/FM + 52 AMX and 12 Mirage 2000C yet retired to replace.

8 "E" and 3 "F" ex Jordanian Air Force to be upgrade to "EM" and "FM" standard. To be gradually withdrawn between 2017 and 2030. Expected to be replaced by Gripen NG.[5][6]

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43 aircraft to be upgraded to A-1M[7] To be withdrawn by 2032. Expected to be replaced by Gripen NG.[8]

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1st batch of 36 ordered right now delivered 2019/24 then 2nd batch later not before 2025

36 Gripen NG (28 single-seat+8 two-seat) ordered with production contract signed by October 2014, initial deliveries will be in 2019 until 2024.[2]

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Avibras MBDA CAMM present a version adapted to the Brazilian Armed Forces


(defensa.com) Avibras MBDA submitted a jointly developed solution for the Brazilian Program Media Altitude Air Defense part of the adaptation of the missile CAMM (Common Anti-Air Modular Missile), a next-generation French manufacturer. Would involve the development of a national missile, currently known as AV-MMA (Antiaircraft Missile Modular) starting from CAMM and use by the Brazilian Armed Forces of all vehicles and technologies developed for the ASTROS 2020, and the current system.


National participation in the program would be 70 percent. The CAMM provides the ability to be used by all three branches of the armed forces, reducing development costs, maintenance and logistical support. In the UK, it will replace the missile vertical launch of the Royal Navy Seaworlf VL, and Brazil is one of the missiles being studied for adoption by future class corvettes "Tamandaré". It has also been acquired by the Royal New Zealand Navy.



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The Brazilian Navy confirms expectations engining of its helicopters Super Lynx

(defensa.com) The first naval helicopter squadron (AH-1) of the Brazilian Navy LHTEC have new engines. The Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company, jointly owned by Honeywell and Rolls-Royce, was selected, as planned, by the Brazilian Navy to join the modernization program Mk21A Lynx helicopters.



This program would include the provision of 4N CTS800 engines that provide better performance, greater range and remarkable operational efficiency. The changes mentioned in the helicopters begin to be implemented in mid-2015 at the AgustaWestland factory in Yeovil, England, with the first aircraft scheduled to be delivered to the Navy of Brazil in late 2017. The complete set of updated aircraft is estimated to complete its total commitment in early 2019.

The CTS800-4N motors are used on helicopters Mk9A Lynx, Super Lynx 300y AW-159, in addition to the AH-11A Super Lynx Brazilians coming, susbstituyendo the GEM RR Mk. 1017, which will go through this inspection reform and modernize Midlife contracted with AgustaWestland for US $ 160 million.


The rotor blades are still the same that were changed in 1996. The new engine offers more cargo capacity, around 200 kg., Carrying about 5,330 kilograms. It also ensures more power and allows the landing deck with a single turbine (emergency), without requiring that the ship is required to develop faster.

It will also ensure more stable operation in high temperature environments. Within the negotiations agreed on a time, compensation in the following aspects:
1 - Maintenance and rotor blades to be held in Brazil
2 - Logistic Support, instrumented directly in Brazil
3 - Trainer / simulator and tactical, with the possible cooperation of national companies in the project.



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