AUKUS News, Views, Analysis.

Overbom said:

AUKUS is basically the white/anglo-saxons sticking together. It is inevitable that they will become closer.

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Overbom said:

AUKUS is basically the white/anglo-saxons sticking together. It is inevitable that they will become closer.

Infact, I am expecting that in the coming years all these puppet countries will lose even more sovereignty and they will get closer towards integrating with the US.

I am talking about security/diplomacy/tech/economy policies becoming increasingly "coordinated" (dictated by the US..)

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I have suspected long ago that both liberals and conservatives in America want countries under it's wing/influence to mirror most of its important policies especially pertaining to doing business laws to make it easier for American companies to set foot and gain hold of the countries entire ecosystem; the foreign affairs and military. So those countries like Canada, Australia, Britain etc. are maybe physically separated from the U.S. but the goal probably to align all their foreign policies and trade policies with that of the U.S.

Bellum_Romanum said:

I have suspected long ago that both liberals and conservatives in America want countries under it's wing/influence to mirror most of its important policies especially pertaining to doing business laws to make it easier for American companies to set foot and gain hold of the countries entire ecosystem; the foreign affairs and military. So those countries like Canada, Australia, Britain etc. are maybe physically separated from the U.S. but the goal probably to align all their foreign policies and trade policies with that of the U.S.

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The goalpost goes much wider then just Canada, Australia and Britain you can add all of EU

Arnies said:

The goalpost goes much wider then just Canada, Australia and Britain you can add all of EU

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That's the eventual goal because that's one of the few possible ways for the U.S. to outcompete, dominate, and then subjugate China. If Russia was to fall in line and made essentially a subjugate partner to the American interests, then you'll have India gladly play along to totally buy into the American bloc led to forever undermine China internally and torn the country to different pieces so to never again potentially threaten the American led order even if China were to adapt a western style democratic system.

A democratic system does not mean the Chinese people or it's future leaders were simply going to abandon it's sovereign interest or claims in the SCS or her border issues with India. Plus, such a system it wouldn't be inconceivable to have a Trump version of China that is more hypernationalist and eager to actually use it's military force against external threats. That's why it's really important for China to be broken into pieces, totally separate Tibet, Xinjiang, flare up ethnic tensions amongst the 50 plus or so ethnic groups within China.

But in order for such prospect to be successful America must deal effectively with it's own internal challenges and extreme divisions it frankly didn't fully anticipate or appreciate would happen. So nothing is certain.

China needs to take advantage of the fact that AUKUS is a anglo-imperialist organisation and attack it such that developing countries and even Europe view it as a threat

If Europe nevertheless sticks with AUKUS, China will be in a very bad position

sndef888 said:

China needs to take advantage of the fact that AUKUS is a anglo-imperialist organisation and attack it such that developing countries and even Europe view it as a threat

If Europe nevertheless sticks with AUKUS, China will be in a very bad position

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How so, Europe cannot do much to China given that right now, they have Russia to deal with and a big prospects would involve cutting off there gas and supplies if they continue to cross their red lines which Europe is starting to eventually realise is a very stupid idea. If Russia gets their way or simply stalemate the USA on Ukraine, well this will give Europe the added nudge to say well, maybe the USA is a worthless partner not worth listening too and thus maybe we shouldn’t put own economies and lives in the line for a Allie’s that will cut and run when the going gets though

sndef888 said:

China needs to take advantage of the fact that AUKUS is a anglo-imperialist organisation and attack it such that developing countries and even Europe view it as a threat

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Whilst I'm sure the CCP will try to paint AUKUS in that fashion, I think the chances of European states seeing it as a threat are around zero. It's not a formal defence treaty and has little to no impact on Europe. It was designed as and remains a method for the RAN to get access to SSNs, albeit with the probable bonus of Australia also being able to support USN and RN submarines. Given that NATO is the cornerstone of European security, it doesn't really change anything.

As for developing countries, really only South-East Asia is affected. Support will largely fall on how closely aligned the state in question is with Beijing - Vietnam will be secretly very pleased because it offers the prospect of more of a counterweight to the PLAN in their part of the world. The fact ASEAN hasn't made a statement (correct me if I'm wrong) suggests internal division.

Africa, the Middle East and South America aren't really affected.

Mr T said:

Whilst I'm sure the CCP will try to paint AUKUS in that fashion, I think the chances ...

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Using 'CCP' here immediately put your credibility in doubt, not that you have a great credibility in this forum to begin with ...

While you're free to use it, label a geopolitical or even military issue concerning China as CCP-thinking is plainly too much western propaganda, particularly when this 'CCP' thing is jumping up out of blue.

Mr T said:

Whilst I'm sure the CCP will try to paint AUKUS in that fashion, I think the chances of European states seeing it as a threat are around zero. It's not a formal defence treaty and has little to no impact on Europe. It was designed as and remains a method for the RAN to get access to SSNs, albeit with the probable bonus of Australia also being able to support USN and RN submarines. Given that NATO is the cornerstone of European security, it doesn't really change anything.

As for developing countries, really only South-East Asia is affected. Support will largely fall on how closely aligned the state in question is with Beijing - Vietnam will be secretly very pleased because it offers the prospect of more of a counterweight to the PLAN in their part of the world. The fact ASEAN hasn't made a statement (correct me if I'm wrong) suggests internal division.

Africa, the Middle East and South America aren't really affected.

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Not really. An imperialist anglo union is a threat to the entire world either in terms of military or economic terms. Countries are going to worry about becoming the next Iraq or Afghanistan simply because the militaristic leadership wants war, or worry about becoming economically infiltrated like south america

Mr T said:

Whilst I'm sure the CCP will try to paint AUKUS in that fashion, I think the chances of European states seeing it as a threat are around zero. It's not a formal defence treaty and has little to no impact on Europe. It was designed as and remains a method for the RAN to get access to SSNs, albeit with the probable bonus of Australia also being able to support USN and RN submarines. Given that NATO is the cornerstone of European security, it doesn't really change anything.

As for developing countries, really only South-East Asia is affected. Support will largely fall on how closely aligned the state in question is with Beijing - Vietnam will be secretly very pleased because it offers the prospect of more of a counterweight to the PLAN in their part of the world. The fact ASEAN hasn't made a statement (correct me if I'm wrong) suggests internal division.

Africa, the Middle East and South America aren't really affected.

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Given that European states have spent the better part of two millenia fighting each other, I wouldn't call it zero.

Its difficult to envision a situation where there is a Anglo/European split, but we've lived in a situation where the US has economically dominated virtually every country in the world. Right now no country can impact an economy or the standard of living of a country the way the US can. When China overtakes the US as an economic power, or indeed dwarfs it, things will inevitably change.

There have been some fissures in the Euro/Anglo alliance - Brexit, the Australian nuclear submarine debacle. Widening those and creating new ones ought to be a priority for China.

China will seek to use the Bangkok Treaty to drive a wedge between ASEAN members and the U.S., the leading partner of AUKUS and the greatest opponent of Southeast Asia’s pact among the P-5.
Beyond legalities, China can use the Bangkok Treaty to inflame broader fears of AUKUS in the region—a tactic that could find fertile ground.