(ASK) How well trained are the pla special forces?

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paintgun

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ok here is a related pic, i remember reading the thread, and completely forgot about it

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http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/arm...apon-5-8-mm-heavy-20-mm-air-burst-4-5494.html

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and, here are some pictures of PLAMC doing overseas exercises, first is in (sorry not Djibouti) Tanzania, the second (and first overseas exercise ever by the PLAMC) Blue Assault 2010 in Thailand

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Thailand Blue-Assault 2010
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Norfolk

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Seem to remember that this article was posted at SDF once or twice before:

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, by Scott J. Henderson, Special Warfare Magazine, Volume 19, Issue 4, July/August 2006.
 
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paintgun

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Norfolk said:
Seem to remember that this article was posted at SDF once or twice before:

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, by Scott J. Henderson, Special Warfare Magazine, Volume 19, Issue 4, July/August 2006.
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excellent stuff and undoubtedly authoritative on the subject, thanks!

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For some reason, I find this pic to be hilarious. :D
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from the 10th Gulf of Aden Flotilla, seems to be an interception and inspection by the PLAN Marines
 
Ultra

Ultra

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Just found this video :




This video seems to state that PLA Airborne troops are the "best" special forces troop that China has.

As to how well train the PLA special forces are, this video (although they are not PLA special forces, just normal troops) can infered some insight as to the difference between western troops vs Chinese troops.



As the british soldier who did the exchange stated:

"I think fitness wise they are at similar standard; as far as officership training and leadership training goes they are of lower standard".

I think that would probably be more or less what the PLA special forces be like.
 
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kwaigonegin

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I'm sure I receive much negative feedback for this however prc's military and soldiers will never be as good as say the us or NATO for one and one reason only. They are not battle hardened. Unfortunately the only way to be effective cohesive force is to experience warfare first hand.
For good or bad the us have been fighting wars on and off pretty much since the creation of this nation and even more so since WW II.
CHINA's military has been very sheltered and have not experience any real warfare since the inception of their modern military. the last time they war any major war was Korea, Vietnam using human waves as a strategy. Those strategies are not applicable to modern war fighting. To develop sound doctrines, training etc you need tons of people who have actually seen warfare and past their knowledge on to new generation of warriors.
As to other countries who are allies of the us, they are afforded valuable experience due to cross training , knowledge transfer etc such as nato countries, Japan, Australia etc.
 
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texx1

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kwaigonegin said:
I'm sure I receive much negative feedback for this however prc's military and soldiers will never be as good as say the us or NATO for one and one reason only. They are not battle hardened. Unfortunately the only way to be effective cohesive force is to experience warfare first hand.
For good or bad the us have been fighting wars on and off pretty much since the creation of this nation and even more so since WW II.
CHINA's military has been very sheltered and have not experience any real warfare since the inception of their modern military. the last time they war any major war was Korea, Vietnam using human waves as a strategy. Those strategies are not applicable to modern war fighting. To develop sound doctrines, training etc you need tons of people who have actually seen warfare and past their knowledge on to new generation of warriors.
As to other countries who are allies of the us, they are afforded valuable experience due to cross training , knowledge transfer etc such as nato countries, Japan, Australia etc.
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This again?

I hope the following will prevent this old chestnut from spouting on sinodefence again.

US/NATO is good at and has plenty of experience defeating ragtag third world militaries that never stand a realistic chance anyway. It would be a huge embarrassment for US special forces to suffer crushing defeats at the hands of untrained men in pajamas. They are expected to win. Sure you gain experience. But how can one be proud of experiences gained from killing military equivalent of babies? There is no glory in owning hopelessly outclassed opponents.

Since China has a policy of non-interference, Chinese special forces simply don't have as many opportunities to sharpen its blade on defenseless bonnies. I am sure they will perform just as adequately as US/Nato counterparts when they face enemies suffering from disproportional disadvantages in trainings, equipments, supports and morale.

When it comes to near peer conflicts, the performances of US, NATO or Chinese special forces are anyone's guess. Although, I hope I don't actually find out in my lifetime.
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

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texx1 said:
This again?

I hope the following will prevent this old chestnut from spouting on sinodefence again.

US/NATO is good at and has plenty of experience defeating ragtag third world militaries that never stand a realistic chance anyway. It would be a huge embarrassment for US special forces to suffer crushing defeats at the hands of untrained men in pajamas. They are expected to win. Sure you gain experience. But how can one be proud of experiences gained from killing military equivalent of babies? There is no glory in owning hopelessly outclassed opponents.

Since China has a policy of non-interference, Chinese special forces simply don't have as many opportunities to sharpen its blade on defenseless bonnies. I am sure they will perform just as adequately as US/Nato counterparts when they face enemies suffering from disproportional disadvantages in trainings, equipments, supports and morale.

When it comes to near peer conflicts, the performances of US, NATO or Chinese special forces are anyone's guess. Although, I hope I don't actually find out in my lifetime.
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Respondes like yours is expected and I appreciate it however your assessment is Not accurate. The US suffered a lot of losses in the early days of Vietnam, Korea etc. from a tactical perspective there is no such thing as fighting a ragtag band of untrained enemies.. An ak 47 kills you just the same whether it's fired from a child soldier hiding inside a mudhut or from a trained operative. And many of these untrained men in pajamas like you so eloquently put are not exactly untrained. Even the spetnaz suffered some losses in the early days fighting the mujaheedeens. They know the terrain, they know the local environments just like with the VCs.

If you assume you are fighting a bunch of untrained guys in their boxer shorts then you've already lost. Just ask the Marines and the Delta boys in Mogadishu if it was so easy
 
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