Impossible to say how the math works out without knowing the exact numbers. Evidently PLAN doesn't think the juice is worth the squeeze.
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Impossible to say how the math works out without knowing the exact numbers. Evidently PLAN doesn't think the juice is worth the squeeze.
Hey there, I have recently spent a lot of time on google earths looking for the PLA mockups of stuff. I have heard that there is a mockup of the presidential palace in Taipei and also the airport in Taichung. Unfortunately I have not found it so far. Does anyone know the coordinates? You can also share the coordinates of different interesting PLA mockups/site. Thx a lot!
This stuff is pretty well documented in English and have been reported on everything from to . Most, if not all of these mockups are located at the PLA training center in : 42.2597, 112.7561.
Hey thanks a lot! That Eiffel Tower is wild!
I have to say, I feel that the naval build-up has been disappointing of lately in a country that has a massive world-class building capability with 41 Trillion PPP GDP economy.
1) No new Type 055. Still 8 active. We have no idea of what the actual F is going on and why does it take such long time to commission number 9 and 10. Should have finished up number 11 and 12 as well with additional 4 being built in advanced stages. Should be 16 active any moment now - or by next year at the latest, but that is clearly not the case.
2) Type 052D. How many are active now? It seems that those 5 we saw being built at the same time (in advanced stages) are taking forever. Pump them out FFS. Should have between 35 - 40 active Type 052D and 052DL.
3) Should have finalized that new super cruiser I read about last year. Start building one, very soon.
4) Frigates. Still standing at two Type 054B. AFAIK, no new Bs are being built, but a few more As from what I understand? Generally, what the hell is going on in frigate area? We need sausage pumping style here as were in regards to numbers. You can't just not build anything whilst the enemies that target China are building stuff themselves.
5) Diesel submarines. I cannot even express how disappointed I am in this area when it comes to numbers. Why isn't there like twice the number of Type 039C compared as it is now? Improved Kilos and Songs should be replaced soon, no? Or?
Then there is the mini-nuke sub, Type 041. What's going on here?
6) Whilst 093B is great and it's a very solid progress, we're still waiting for Type 095, and type 096 (which needs to replace type 094). Either way, just f-ing start building MORE. Whichever it is - either more 093B or 095. Just build more, because enemies are building as well.
7) Why the F isn't there 5th and 6th Type 075 or 2nd Type 076 in advanced stages of construction?
8) Type 071. Whilst it is good to have 8, could have added at least another 4 here. Maybe "Improved" 071. Don't see the poing why it stopped at exactly 8.
9) No new support, logistics ships that are very large and modern, such as Type 901. Although I can see that there are several 903A being built, but still Type 901 should be built as well.
The only exciting thing going on for the navy as of now seems to be putting Fujian into service (along with naval J-35) and building the new carrier which will take its time. But besides that, there is so much lack of new commisioned units.
Compared to the Air Force which is very impressive and we are getting spoiled latery with J-35, J-36 and J-50 and other type of upgraded J-20, KJ-600, KJ-3000, and other type of aircraft and missiles.
But with navy, there is some strange thing going on. Frigates should be out like sausage production along with diesel SSK submarines such as Type 039C and that "mini-nuke" Type 041. Literally as when Type 022 missile boats and Type 056 where produced back in the day.
1) No new Type 055. Still 8 active. We have no idea of what the actual F is going on and why does it take such long time to commission number 9 and 10. Should have finished up number 11 and 12 as well with additional 4 being built in advanced stages. Should be 16 active any moment now - or by next year at the latest, but that is clearly not the case.
2) Type 052D. How many are active now? It seems that those 5 we saw being built at the same time (in advanced stages) are taking forever. Pump them out FFS. Should have between 35 - 40 active Type 052D and 052DL.
3) Should have finalized that new super cruiser I read about last year. Start building one, very soon.
4) Frigates. Still standing at two Type 054B. AFAIK, no new Bs are being built, but a few more As from what I understand? Generally, what the hell is going on in frigate area? We need sausage pumping style here as were in regards to numbers. You can't just not build anything whilst the enemies that target China are building stuff themselves.
5) Diesel submarines. I cannot even express how disappointed I am in this area when it comes to numbers. Why isn't there like twice the number of Type 039C compared as it is now? Improved Kilos and Songs should be replaced soon, no? Or?
Then there is the mini-nuke sub, Type 041. What's going on here?
6) Whilst 093B is great and it's a very solid progress, we're still waiting for Type 095, and type 096 (which needs to replace type 094). Either way, just f-ing start building MORE. Whichever it is - either more 093B or 095. Just build more, because enemies are building as well.
7) Why the F isn't there 5th and 6th Type 075 or 2nd Type 076 in advanced stages of construction?
8) Type 071. Whilst it is good to have 8, could have added at least another 4 here. Maybe "Improved" 071. Don't see the poing why it stopped at exactly 8.
9) No new support, logistics ships that are very large and modern, such as Type 901. Although I can see that there are several 903A being built, but still Type 901 should be built as well.
The only exciting thing going on for the navy as of now seems to be putting Fujian into service (along with naval J-35) and building the new carrier which will take its time. But besides that, there is so much lack of new commisioned units.
Compared to the Air Force which is very impressive and we are getting spoiled latery with J-35, J-36 and J-50 and other type of upgraded J-20, KJ-600, KJ-3000, and other type of aircraft and missiles.
But with navy, there is some strange thing going on. Frigates should be out like sausage production along with diesel SSK submarines such as Type 039C and that "mini-nuke" Type 041. Literally as when Type 022 missile boats and Type 056 where produced back in the day.
... you REALLY think that the planning, developing, building, training, operating, maintaining and repairing of warships for naval expansion is like producing your average consumer cars or something?
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There are only 6 confirmed for the next batch and they have been progressing similarly in speed to the original batch of 8 so nothing surprising
You can't commission ships before its fully trialed and there is 38 052Ds total right now and they have been commissioning these at a stable rate.
Nothing indicates such a project even exists.
The 054B is likely cancelled hence either only 4 more will be built or no further units at all, there is news of a new frigate being built that should take form by next year.
PLAN is focusing more on nuclear right now, but we don't even know the actual amount of diesel electric subs PLAN has where are you even getting your numbers from?
093Bs are already built at 3.5 boats on average per year consistently from 2023 it seems which is more than any other nation on the planet capable of building SSNs. Full capacity of the yard is estimated to be ~5 boats per year but this capacity probably won't be reached until Type 095 is fully ready for mass production.
The first Type 076 isn't even completed, PLAN usually do not build the follow ups for a class after the initial batch has been proven in sea trials, as for Type 075 they might not see any purpose of building more when Type 076 exists.
Type 071s haven't been produced for years either means PLAN leadership think it's good enough or the less likely case that successor class is in the works.
Type 901s really prove their worth when deployed for long range carrier operations which currently IMO only the Fujian is truly capable of due to it actually being capable of carrying the entire suite of carrier aircraft unlike the first two carriers which has to rely on land-based support aircraft, but word is right now they are working on an improved version of Type 901s called the Type 901A.
Do you live under a rock?
Roughly speaking, annual procurement of Chinese warships is running at twice the US rate.
And remember that they typically have 30+ years of service life.
If everything is built now, what are the shipyards going to build in the future?
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The Air Force currently has priority, and rightly so.
China is still planning for operations in its backyard in the First Island Chain, which can be reached with land-based heavyweight fighters such as the J-20 and J-16.
Until the First Island Chain is secured (which will primarily be an Air Force mission), the Navy should take a backseat. But afterwards, the focus will shift to the Navy, which will mainly be tasked beyond the First Island Chain.
Does anyone know what the aircraft makeup of the various carriers will look like? Just saw in the J-15T thread that all J-15Ts for all three carriers have been fulfilled (3x24) but what are the other aircraft that make up each Carrier Air Wing? Also what could a potential Type 004 Carrier air wing look like?