I mean, as far as propaganda is concerned in-your-face methods like Grok is terrible, otherwise it wouldn't already be a meme. Now if you want something effective, look at TikTok curation algorithm where they use one's own citizens to make propaganda for you, its always amazing to me how few people realize what you can do with a special algorithm combined with a pure curation based social media, and just how much power China holds over the world through this.
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Morgan Stanley has received its China AI 60 list.
Ray Wang has posted a graphic from Epoch AI that says the total computational power troughed below 40% in 2021 and is now 75%. Meanwhile, the percentage in China dropped from over 40% to about 20%.
Meanwhile, the U.S. has massive new AI infrastructure announcments:
In fact, Epoch AI separately on their website notes that the total computational power in supercomputing clusters worldwide doubles every 10 months. For example, Trump can go to Saudi Arabia and offer a massive AI infrastructure investment, but we haven't seen Xi do the same thing, perhaps because of limited manufacturing capacity by SMIC to make Ascend chips. If this is true, the export controls sadly may be working. China is getting starved of raw compute, which is growing exponentially.
A Tencent executive recently said lack of compute was one reason hindering the diffusion of AI in China. This affects China's AI models too, as Deepseek and Qwen have comparable performance to the best models but slower response times per token, according to some metrics I looked at.
China's only options at this point are either ramp up manufacturing somehow, or try to blockade Taiwan to at least slow down the AI infrastructure buildout of the U.S. The latter would be a nuclear option that would burn through a lot of goodwill but might be a desperate last chance effort. Many American chips are already made in Arizona though.
Meanwhile, the U.S. has massive new AI infrastructure announcments:
In fact, Epoch AI separately on their website notes that the total computational power in supercomputing clusters worldwide doubles every 10 months. For example, Trump can go to Saudi Arabia and offer a massive AI infrastructure investment, but we haven't seen Xi do the same thing, perhaps because of limited manufacturing capacity by SMIC to make Ascend chips. If this is true, the export controls sadly may be working. China is getting starved of raw compute, which is growing exponentially.
A Tencent executive recently said lack of compute was one reason hindering the diffusion of AI in China. This affects China's AI models too, as Deepseek and Qwen have comparable performance to the best models but slower response times per token, according to some metrics I looked at.
China's only options at this point are either ramp up manufacturing somehow, or try to blockade Taiwan to at least slow down the AI infrastructure buildout of the U.S. The latter would be a nuclear option that would burn through a lot of goodwill but might be a desperate last chance effort. Many American chips are already made in Arizona though.
Ray is fine, but he posts what he finds from different sources. That doesn't mean they are good sources. Nobody really knows how much compute is in China, but EDWC project shows there is plenty. I don't understand why people need to post his tweet here to critique.
Tencent introducing new Hunyuan for image generation
Tencent introducing new Hunyuan for image generation
Does it look like its China whose desperate right now? One might consider trying to "ban" Ascend by threaning the world to be burning bridges, and unlike a Taiwan embargo this wont even affect China.
Results speak for themselves and theres not much more that need to be said on that. But more fundementally China and US arent really playing the same game. China is in the business of making better, more efficent, more useful and cheaper AI, America is in the business of selling more GPUs where how much you get out of those GPUs dont matter. China is in the business of we need to upgrade our economy and society with useful AI deployment at scale, America is in the business of "we're going bankrupt and need to steal more money selling redundant GPUs" , "I need to make more money pumping stocks", "who cares if our kids dont get any education because they're all cheating".
Huawei/Ascend showcasing Atlas's A800I A2 and cloud matrix 384 today.
A lot of benchmarking off DeepSeek models and using EP from DeepSeek
