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supercat

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Domestic chip is comparable to Nvidia H800 while cutting cost by 20%.
Jack Ma-Backed Ant Touts AI Breakthrough Built on Chinese Chips
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AI expert, fellow of IEEE and IAPR, went back to China after 10 years in the US.

AI expert Guo-Jun Qi leaves US for China​

After a decade in America, a leading computer scientist has returned to China to head a top artificial intelligence lab

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Eventine

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Grok is apparently taking off in India and has gone viral for its uncensored takes on politics and... other things.

Musk is capitalizing by charging 1/4th the price for Grok in India compared to else where in the world, while the Indian government is scrambling for political censorship. Expecting a deal between Musk and Modi soon. As expected, Grok is hitting its niche of uncensored AI well, given the lack of competition.
 

Eventine

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ARC AGI 2 has been released. Based on the leader boards, no modern LLM even comes close to solving the challenges:

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That said, the problems appear to involve visuo-spatial reasoning, which for LLMs trained on text data, raises an apples & oranges problem - human reasoning isn't just linguistic, it is just as much, and perhaps even more so, visuo-spatial reasoning, which humans would possess even without language.

But at the same time, claiming you have an AGI without being able to do visuo-spatial reasoning is rather ridiculous. The test for these models *is* that they are able to generalize text-based learning to visuo-spatial learning through mapping between symbolic and visuo-spatial problems.

If they can't, fundamentally, do that, then they're not really thinking in a general way and, as such, cannot be considered AGI.

And of course, the ARC AGI foundation never said what method you should use. If LLMs can't do the job alone, then companies are always free to integrate a visual model.
 

AndrewS

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It's too early to say we've stagnated. The only thing that's certain is that Sam and Dario are not sleeping well at night, not just because of Deep Seek, but because they sold the idea that AGI / ASI was just 2-3 years away to the US government and their investors, and if they don't deliver it, then their whole business model of burning investor / government money while exhorting customers with high API costs will collapse.

Companies like Google, Deep Seek, Meta, Alibaba, and even xAI will survive because they have other revenue sources and more realistic business applications. As I've said before, the smarter companies have, by now, realized that generative models are a productivity multiplier, and like other productivity multipliers, having an open source ecosystem is key.

Just look at Google search. How dominant and powerful is Google search, putting much of the world's knowledge at the average person's finger tips? But it's all free*. Google doesn't charge you for web search. Of course, when it's free, you're the actual product, and that's how it will be for AI.

Remember the Nvidia CEO is talking about "agents" with "superhuman" capabilities in 2-3 years. That is still nowhere near AGI.

And the Microsoft CEO is fed up with OpenAI hype on AGI.
 
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