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9dashline

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Seems like US is concerned China will get to ASI first.

Getting to ASI first was supposed to be America's last hail mary to save its hegemony... kneecap China on chips and get to ASI finish line was always the plan and magic pill

They realize if China wins AI, its fully game over for them, this is why they are resorting to nuclear blackmail now
 

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Seems like US is concerned China will get to ASI first.

Getting to ASI first was supposed to be America's last hail mary to save its hegemony... kneecap China on chips and get to ASI finish line was always the plan and magic pill

They realize if China wins AI, its fully game over for them, this is why they are resorting to nuclear blackmail now
US saying China is ahead on AGI is 99% predictive of China actually getting it first, because since when has US ever correctly estimated the strength of an enemy?

And what nuclear ultimatum lol

China already predicted it by using her massive industry to make a ton of nuke proof bunkers, able to shelter millions of civilians and keep civilization going after a nuclear war, not to mention the densest networks of ABM systems in the world. There zero chance America which can't even make enough non-crooked rails or enough air defenses to cover Israel can make a similar civilization saving plan. To do so would mean having actual infrastructure and industry capability.

The only nuclear ultimatum they can make amounts to putting 12 bullets through their own head to put China in the ICU. And while China would prefer not to limp out with just a hundred million survivors into a nuclear induced climate change world, there would not be an any American or American aligned survivors in such a world at all. An unpleasant threat China would rather not happen, but also not the end of the world if it does happen.
 

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iewgnem

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Seems like US is concerned China will get to ASI first.

Getting to ASI first was supposed to be America's last hail mary to save its hegemony... kneecap China on chips and get to ASI finish line was always the plan and magic pill

They realize if China wins AI, its fully game over for them, this is why they are resorting to nuclear blackmail now
The funny thing is US doesn't even have space lift advantage, Falcon 9 is a medium lift launcher used to launch a lot of small sats but can't launch anything big, while Starship can't actually lift all that much because most of its mass went into its steel structure (and that's assuming they can even get it into orbit with zero payload)

American belief in having launch advantage come from the same place as their belief they had an EV advantage because of Tesla, or they had an AI advantage because they can access TSMC.
 

9dashline

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I'm going to have to try manus out. This tool looks pretty good. If it as good at its task and cheap as it states, then I need to get in on it.

I mean the limitation right now for their team is probably inference resources. I assume now they are popular, they will have no issue securing more compute
My guess is Manus is an automated/autonomous orchestration layer that coordinates a series of worker models... and with the orchestration layer itself trained with RL+Zero , for an end-to-end agentic AI ability ....

So its orchestration isnt hardcoded but dynamic in real-time, probably a hybrid model that makes state based decision with a transformer/LLM backbone allows high level language based intent delegation etc -> feedback to itself

Basically a general purpose end-to-end AI that can do for computer screens what Tesla FSD did to self driving with only video modality and cameras as sensors

From Photons IN -> Controls OUT

to

Pixels IN -> Actions OUT

Except as they pointed out, its actually headless, doesnt need a physical monitor or screen and can work off a virtual or emulated display....

Once this process becomes refined enough and as AI is still scaling in intelligence, wont be long before entire categories of jobs that are now done by laptop/ in front of a screen will be replaced by AI
 

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it's important in that Manus is just a wrapper. There is nothing truly innovative. Now in terms of application, it's still very useful.

But that's something to think about.

AI Agents will be a thing. Manus has been great in promoting its product through influencers.

And more importantly than anything, a lot of computation is needed.
 

Legume7

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it's important in that Manus is just a wrapper. There is nothing truly innovative. Now in terms of application, it's still very useful.

But that's something to think about.

AI Agents will be a thing. Manus has been great in promoting its product through influencers.

And more importantly than anything, a lot of computation is needed.
This is true, but it also shows that "Deep Research" type products are also just wrappers. This was supposed to be the next big selling point for OpenAI, Google, and X after they lost their advantage in reasoning, with OpenAI charging $200 per month for the feature, but now we see that it won't meaningfully move the needle against Chinese labs.
 
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