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chlosy

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mossen said:
Alibaba released their reasoning model for Qwen.

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Gave it a spin against Deepseek's R1. Used thinking and web search for both models.

Just a simple vibe question. Told them a specific sum for 2018 and then asked to adjust for inflation "today". I purposefully did not give a date to see how well they would approximate today being Feb of 2025.

DeepSeek failed miserably, gave me Oct 2023. The answer was obviously incorrect as a result of that.

By contrast, Qwen gave me the correct date (Feb 2025) but also approximated inflation adjustment as far as it could. Its final answer was very close to what I calculated. Moreover, DeepSeek was very slow whereas Qwen was much faster (but still not as fast as it should be). I really like DeepSeek but clearly it should not rest on its laurels. The other Chinese labs are catching up fast.
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Alibaba Qwen logo, the colors and shape of Israel???
 
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Eventine said:
Anthropic is back on the throne for coding for the time being, but their "hybrid" model claim is mostly a marketing trick - reasoning being built on top of an existing base model, any of the current reasoning services can be told not to reason. Not to mention the new 3.7 Claude model is entirely behind the high Anthropic pay wall, so only enterprises will be paying for it. Just doesn't seem to hold that much value with a $15 / million tokens cost, especially since they'll charge you for the reasoning tokens. Anthropic's refusal to lower their prices even after Deep Seek is probably going to back fire.

That said, with all the recent model releases, it looks like the US is being forced to mount a counter attack - probably sooner than they would have wanted, given the lack of anything ground breaking. Out of the recent releases, Grok 3, o3-mini, and Gemini 2.0 Flash Thinking are the most promising American offerings and do appear to be moving the needle forward on value proposition. But we'll see how long they can last.
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Anthropic trains on Amazon who along with Microsoft paid a premium for H100. Costed them around 40k per gpu. Others like Meta bought it at a price of 25k-30k.
 
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mossen said:
Alibaba released their reasoning model for Qwen.

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Gave it a spin against Deepseek's R1. Used thinking and web search for both models.

Just a simple vibe question. Told them a specific sum for 2018 and then asked to adjust for inflation "today". I purposefully did not give a date to see how well they would approximate today being Feb of 2025.

DeepSeek failed miserably, gave me Oct 2023. The answer was obviously incorrect as a result of that.

By contrast, Qwen gave me the correct date (Feb 2025) but also approximated inflation adjustment as far as it could. Its final answer was very close to what I calculated. Moreover, DeepSeek was very slow whereas Qwen was much faster (but still not as fast as it should be). I really like DeepSeek but clearly it should not rest on its laurels. The other Chinese labs are catching up fast.
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I think DeepSeek’s training data is only up to 2023.
 
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We are in interesting territory when Midea is putting Full DeepSeek R1 on AC unit

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also with DreamMe's S50 series of iRobot in the DreamHome app

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Lenovo's Yoga AI PC Is deeply integrating with DeepSeek edge models and also into Moto AI razr foldable phone

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Oppo ColorOS 15 phones integrating full blooded version of DeepSeek-R1

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ByteDance's Doubao AI assistant incorporating deep thinking function, but their own AI rather than DeepSeek

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Dahua offering a whole series of inference machines for DeepSeek using domestic ARM (Maybe Kunpeng) CPU and Ascend GPU. 7 products for different model sizes.

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Tinnove's AI cockpit using Tencent cloud has incorporated DeepSeek models.

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